as the design force behind each living entity.

And what do we call it then? God, Bouddha, Allah, we have a dozen more...

Maybe we can call it 'dark' as in dark energy...

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as the design force behind each living entity.

And what do we call it then? God, Bouddha, Allah, we have a dozen more...

Intelligent Design does not define that for you. It is up to you.

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as the design force behind each living entity.

And what do we call it then? God, Bouddha, Allah, we have a dozen more...

Intelligent Design does not define that for you. It is up to you.

Still remains 'dark', as in 'not proven'...

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I look at "Intelligent Design", and I see very little substantive science, but I do see a whole belief system in action. A belief system that denies both "creationism" and "evolutionism" at the same time. Now that is some feat.
Now why do I say this? The one exponent we have regular input from quite clearly states on numerous occasions that "Intelligent Design is Not Creationism" (or words to that effect). The we see a short time later Intelligent Design as being a "polar opposite" to evolution (again paraphrasing for the sake of clarity). Now given that most see evolution and creation as being opposites where does this leave "Intelligent Design", how does it relate to "Creationism" and "Evolutionism"?

Let us explore a little further...
It is most certainly not a sibling of "Evolutionism" because it describes a single designer as the design force behind each living entity.
So how does it fit with "creationism"? Quite well, because the outlined actions of the "designer" and the "creator" are very similar in that there is only one authority causing all living entities into their (near) current forms. Thus one could conclude that the belief structure around "Intelligent Design" is very similar to the belief structure around "creationism". Thus one would be quite at liberty to describe "Intelligent Design" as a branch of "Creationism", a branch in which there is a single entity called "The Designer", as opposed to say Christian-creationsim where there is a single entity called "God".

Intelligent Design uses the scientific method, ergo it is science. No one is holding a gun to your head and telling you to believe.

Once you have silenced the minds of others who are doing science as well as you, YOU in turn have stopped doing science. YOU cannot be a part of of science if YOU deny another who is doing science. You are not doing science if you say YOU have all the answers. Science is admitting that you have an idea that might be correct, you are to remain open to it NOT being correct. I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE is the correct answer.

The only thing I have done here is offer another path to what you see with your own two eyes. I have not forced anyone to walk that path.

I have pointed out the faults of "Evolutionism", there are many. The linch-pin of "Evolutionism/Darwinism" is on species changing into another. You have no proof of this. This is all I need to shoot a huge hole in the theory. I have never said that the other parts of the theory are not correct, just one part is not correct.

The last part you posted is not correct. I have posted many links as to what Intelligent Design is. You have removed them, and it seems you have removed them without even reading them. The fault is yours for not doing the research, it isn't MINE for the lack of trying to teach. You refused to learn is the problem.

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and again NO IT DOES NOT. there is no scientific method to a belief system.

I believe the creator made everything because I cannot imagine in my heart of hearts that anything other than a great spirit in the sky could possibly have made all the species in the world. Nor do I believe that the world is older than 6k years. Though ID has thoughtfully erased that from their ID gods creating system since its pretty clear this planet has been around for a long time.

I worked with a reallllllly protestant holy roller religious fellow. His explanation for anything that appears older than 6k years is that its a test of faith. Sorry but faith be damned if my own eyes see an 80 miilion year old fossil. Which goes back to ID which has absolutely nothing to do with science.

By claiming it does is ludicrous. ID ≠ science ever. Do research and apply scientific methods and your repeated results will always give you a negative answer. Though you can claim that God doesn't want to be seen or measured which is convenient since he can't be found in anything that is measured

The linch-pin of "Evolutionism/Darwinism" is on species changing into another.

You are once again not correct but who's counting. the only person here that says a species changes into another is you. So to say that evolutionists are saying its a flat lie. You said it. So we'll get this straight and you'll stop putting words into my mouth and others, Evolution is the divergence or adaptation of a species until that species can be recognized as distinctly different species from environmental exposure or genetic mutations.

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there is no scientific method to a belief system.

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and again NO IT DOES NOT. there is no scientific method to a belief system.

I believe the creator made everything because I cannot imagine in my heart of hearts that anything other than a great spirit in the sky could possibly have made all the species in the world. Nor do I believe that the world is older than 6k years. Though ID has thoughtfully erased that from their ID gods creating system since its pretty clear this planet has been around for a long time.

I worked with a reallllllly protestant holy roller religious fellow. His explanation for anything that appears older than 6k years is that its a test of faith. Sorry but faith be damned if my own eyes see an 80 miilion year old fossil. Which goes back to ID which has absolutely nothing to do with science.

By claiming it does is ludicrous. ID ≠ science ever. Do research and apply scientific methods and your repeated results will always give you a negative answer. Though you can claim that God doesn't want to be seen or measured which is convenient since he can't be found in anything that is measured

The linch-pin of "Evolutionism/Darwinism" is on species changing into another.

You are once again not correct but who's counting. the only person here that says a species changes into another is you. So to say that evolutionists are saying its a flat lie. You said it. So we'll get this straight and you'll stop putting words into my mouth and others, Evolution is the divergence or adaptation of a species until that species can be recognized as distinctly different species from environmental exposure or genetic mutations.

YOU CLEARLY have not read the links I have posted where this question was answered. The fault is with you not I. YOU have refused to study and YOU are at fault.

The line of words you have used to discribe how on species has over time changed into another is exactly what I have said. No matter how you arrange them words it is saying the same thing. You have no proof of it, bottom line...

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

as the design force behind each living entity.

And what do we call it then? God, Bouddha, Allah, we have a dozen more...

Intelligent Design does not define that for you. It is up to you.

Still remains 'dark', as in 'not proven'...

So?

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Still trying to push that dead horse I see I.D.

The horse is dead so why not just butcher it instead of letting the flies swarm over the carcase as you push it?

Cheers.

OK, so now read beyond my opening line.
Where does "intelligent design" sit on the creationism/evolutionism axis?
At one end of this axis is "pure creation" - every living entity was created by some controlling entity exactly as it is today.
At the other end is "pure evolution" - every living entity has progressively evolved from a single entity type.

To make life simple, let us assign the value "100" to the "creation" end and "0" to "evolution" end of this axis - now what value do you assign to "Intelligent Design"?

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as the design force behind each living entity.

And what do we call it then? God, Bouddha, Allah, we have a dozen more...

Intelligent Design does not define that for you. It is up to you.

Still remains 'dark', as in 'not proven'...

So?

As in let it rest, just accept the facts and the non-facts for that matter.

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as the design force behind each living entity.

And what do we call it then? God, Bouddha, Allah, we have a dozen more...

Intelligent Design does not define that for you. It is up to you.

Your comment really gets to the heart of why ID is not science. The most important postulate of ID is an intelligent force, yet they absolutely refuse to provide any suggestions or proposals as to what that force might be. You cannot have scientific theory in which the key variable is not only undefined but can apparently take any value you feel.

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I know we have been over this a hundred times, but evolutionary theory does not state that one cell or one organism changes into another. That is a misrepresentation of evolutionary theory.

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and again NO IT DOES NOT. there is no scientific method to a belief system.

I believe the creator made everything because I cannot imagine in my heart of hearts that anything other than a great spirit in the sky could possibly have made all the species in the world. Nor do I believe that the world is older than 6k years. Though ID has thoughtfully erased that from their ID gods creating system since its pretty clear this planet has been around for a long time.

I worked with a reallllllly protestant holy roller religious fellow. His explanation for anything that appears older than 6k years is that its a test of faith. Sorry but faith be damned if my own eyes see an 80 miilion year old fossil. Which goes back to ID which has absolutely nothing to do with science.

By claiming it does is ludicrous. ID ≠ science ever. Do research and apply scientific methods and your repeated results will always give you a negative answer. Though you can claim that God doesn't want to be seen or measured which is convenient since he can't be found in anything that is measured

The linch-pin of "Evolutionism/Darwinism" is on species changing into another.

You are once again not correct but who's counting. the only person here that says a species changes into another is you. So to say that evolutionists are saying its a flat lie. You said it. So we'll get this straight and you'll stop putting words into my mouth and others, Evolution is the divergence or adaptation of a species until that species can be recognized as distinctly different species from environmental exposure or genetic mutations.

YOU CLEARLY have not read the links I have posted where this question was answered. The fault is with you not I. YOU have refused to study and YOU are at fault.

The line of words you have used to discribe how on species has over time changed into another is exactly what I have said. No matter how you arrange them words it is saying the same thing. You have no proof of it, bottom line...

whats to read its the same old crap that you keep posting. Just because you repeat something a 100 times doesnt make it correct.

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