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Message 1436698 - Posted: 1 Nov 2013, 22:20:01 UTC

I will not tolerate a project that allows pseudoscience on a science thread and have the moderators defend him and also not allow criticism of the moderators when they make unwise decisions.

The moderators decisions are in opposition to SCOTUS, the main scientific institutions of the USA, UK and EU education policy on science and The Roman Catholic Church.

So I am detaching all computers.

Goodbye and wish you all the best.
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Message 1436699 - Posted: 1 Nov 2013, 22:28:10 UTC - in response to Message 1436698.  

Which thread are we talking about?
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Message 1436703 - Posted: 1 Nov 2013, 22:56:31 UTC - in response to Message 1436699.  

Take a look in the Science (non-SETI) forum and all the posts advocating Intelligent Design as a science, and arguing that it is different from Creationism, and that it follows the scientific method.
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Message 1436708 - Posted: 1 Nov 2013, 23:02:32 UTC

If it's who I think, more along the lines of threads, plural. Four of them, all essentially the same, 'created' within one day.

IMHO an excellent working definition of



@ WinterKnight. I've left SAH a few times in the past so I do understand but consider this: Leaving is tantamount to letting the - person - in question win. I would postulate that a far better tactic is for everyone to not feed the troll in the first place. If everyone ignored him (with 'religious' fervour, as it were) he'll wither and fade away.

Just my 2c worth.
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Message 1436712 - Posted: 1 Nov 2013, 23:09:49 UTC - in response to Message 1436698.  

I will not tolerate a project that allows pseudoscience on a science thread and have the moderators defend him and also not allow criticism of the moderators when they make unwise decisions.

The moderators decisions are in opposition to SCOTUS, the main scientific institutions of the USA, UK and EU education policy on science and The Roman Catholic Church.

So I am detaching all computers.

Goodbye and wish you all the best.


Too bad you did not read, or take to heart, my post.
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Message 1436718 - Posted: 1 Nov 2013, 23:15:05 UTC - in response to Message 1436708.  

If it's who I think, more along the lines of threads, plural. Four of them, all essentially the same, 'created' within one day.

IMHO an excellent working definition of

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@ WinterKnight. I've left SAH a few times in the past so I do understand but consider this: Leaving is tantamount to letting the - person - in question win. I would postulate that a far better tactic is for everyone to not feed the troll in the first place. If everyone ignored him (with 'religious' fervour, as it were) he'll wither and fade away.

Just my 2c worth.

Sounds like very good advice to me.
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Message 1436744 - Posted: 1 Nov 2013, 23:33:54 UTC
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My last post on the subject, I.D. can post all the rubbish he wants, I just cannot accept any of it as science and as listed before, those with more brains and knowledge that I, have declared it is not science.

So my main problem is not I.D. it is the mods, they have caved in to his ill informed position.

If the mods reverse their position so that it is line with the "official" rulings on intelligent design, move the posts out of the science (non-Seti) thread, or remove the offending posts totally and apologise, I will re-consider my position.

Until then this computer has stopped crunching, and the other will as soon as the owner goes to bed.
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Message 1436761 - Posted: 2 Nov 2013, 0:03:48 UTC

I.D. certainly isn't science and I'll keep on saying that (along with many others) and it definitely does not belong in a forum devoted to Science.

But I'll not be leaving just because of 1 or 2 (or even more) misguided people.

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Message 1436768 - Posted: 2 Nov 2013, 0:20:54 UTC - in response to Message 1436708.  

If it's who I think, more along the lines of threads, plural. Four of them, all essentially the same, 'created' within one day.

IMHO an excellent working definition of



@ WinterKnight. I've left SAH a few times in the past so I do understand but consider this: Leaving is tantamount to letting the - person - in question win. I would postulate that a far better tactic is for everyone to not feed the troll in the first place. If everyone ignored him (with 'religious' fervour, as it were) he'll wither and fade away.

Just my 2c worth.


+1

Yep, you're letting them win WK, don't give them the satisfaction - Stay.
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Message 1436773 - Posted: 2 Nov 2013, 0:37:01 UTC - in response to Message 1436768.  

Yep, you're letting them win WK, don't give them the satisfaction - Stay.


No, they the mods have lost, and I.D. has won because his non-science threads are still on a science board.

And if the mods cannot do their job correctly there is no point in staying.
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Message 1436778 - Posted: 2 Nov 2013, 0:52:23 UTC - in response to Message 1436773.  
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How many times have you looked at a TV listing for a program, turned the TV on and find a different program broadcast? It happens, but it all comes right in the end.

As for leaving, I thought about it many times. Another case in point is on one of those threads you mention.

A spammer on a Friday night...tut, tut, tut.

I am actually at work, waiting to be unloaded in Banbury. 12 loading bays 15 vehicles in front of mine. Using the works latpop, I'm remoting into my server.

There'll always be one at the bottom of the barrel. It's not good to eat.
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Message 1436788 - Posted: 2 Nov 2013, 1:11:20 UTC - in response to Message 1436744.  

My last post on the subject, I.D. can post all the rubbish he wants, I just cannot accept any of it as science and as listed before, those with more brains and knowledge that I, have declared it is not science.

So my main problem is not I.D. it is the mods, they have caved in to his ill informed position.

If the mods reverse their position so that it is line with the "official" rulings on intelligent design, move the posts out of the science (non-Seti) thread, or remove the offending posts totally and apologise, I will re-consider my position.

Until then this computer has stopped crunching, and the other will as soon as the owner goes to bed.

Speaking only for myself...

Yes, ID can post all he wants and so can you. It doesn't need the approval of people with more brains and knowledge to do so, whether it is declared as science by whoever or not.

"Caved in" to his position? I haven't taken a position, impartiality is a necessity.

As with the previous I don't have a position, and do not base my moderation on external "official" rulings of science so have nothing to reverse. As to apologies, I'll apologise if I've made a mistake, not because someone demands it.

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Message 1436792 - Posted: 2 Nov 2013, 1:17:48 UTC - in response to Message 1436788.  

My last post on the subject, I.D. can post all the rubbish he wants, I just cannot accept any of it as science and as listed before, those with more brains and knowledge that I, have declared it is not science.

So my main problem is not I.D. it is the mods, they have caved in to his ill informed position.

If the mods reverse their position so that it is line with the "official" rulings on intelligent design, move the posts out of the science (non-Seti) thread, or remove the offending posts totally and apologise, I will re-consider my position.

Until then this computer has stopped crunching, and the other will as soon as the owner goes to bed.

Speaking only for myself...

Yes, ID can post all he wants and so can you. It doesn't need the approval of people with more brains and knowledge to do so, whether it is declared as science by whoever or not.

"Caved in" to his position? I haven't taken a position, impartiality is a necessity.

As with the previous I don't have a position, and do not base my moderation on external "official" rulings of science so have nothing to reverse. As to apologies, I'll apologise if I've made a mistake, not because someone demands it.



#1 for me also.
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Message 1436793 - Posted: 2 Nov 2013, 1:18:43 UTC - in response to Message 1436788.  

Now I was told seven (7) moderators had discussed the subject and decided that posts on intelligent design were to be allowed on the science board.
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Message 1436796 - Posted: 2 Nov 2013, 1:26:18 UTC

Thank you Dr. Fred. Your ideas for topical moderation are so perfect.

@WK, I haven't bitch slapped them over all the UFO threads in the science section. Nutters are out there with their tin foil hats.

All I have to say is get the dang ignore working right, when you put in a filter, make them completely disappear. Have that <plonk> sound play if you must, but they should evaporate otherwise. And that is Dr. A's fault!

And if you must, and you must, auto disable the filter for the moderators, sorry nutters come with the job.

And if you can, I know it would be a DB load, how about a number of people filtering showing on the users public account page! :)

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Message 1436798 - Posted: 2 Nov 2013, 1:32:44 UTC - in response to Message 1436793.  

Now I was told seven (7) moderators had discussed the subject and decided that posts on intelligent design were to be allowed on the science board.

If you disagree with what someone posts stick 'em on ignore and don't read their threads.

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Message 1436799 - Posted: 2 Nov 2013, 1:35:46 UTC
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WK, sleep on it please. There are also only six active Mods. I have not seen Clive for quite some time and hope he is ok.
The thread you are referring too, is not one I normally follow, but will catch up on it now, if nessessary make my view known privately.

Please don't throw 14 1/2 yrs with the project down the drain.

There is also the issue, where should they be moved too?
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Message 1436800 - Posted: 2 Nov 2013, 1:38:01 UTC - in response to Message 1436799.  

WK, sleep on it please. There are also only six active Mods. I have not seen Clive for quite some time and hope he is ok.
The thread you are referring too, is not one I normally follow, but will catch up on it now, if nessessary make my view known privately.

Please don't throw 14 1/2 yrs with the project down the drain.

There is also the issue, where should they be moved too?


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Politics for the simple reason for the time being until proved otherwise, Intelligent Design will always, sooner or later, invoke religion and religion is not science.
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Message 1436805 - Posted: 2 Nov 2013, 1:51:35 UTC - in response to Message 1436800.  

WK, sleep on it please. There are also only six active Mods. I have not seen Clive for quite some time and hope he is ok.
The thread you are referring too, is not one I normally follow, but will catch up on it now, if nessessary make my view known privately.

Please don't throw 14 1/2 yrs with the project down the drain.

There is also the issue, where should they be moved too?


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Politics for the simple reason for the time being until proved otherwise, Intelligent Design will always, sooner or later, invoke religion and religion is not science.

+2 here
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Message 1436809 - Posted: 2 Nov 2013, 2:03:29 UTC

Winter Knight, there is no relation between a MOD decision that you don't like and crunching for SETI. These boards are for fun/socialization, and even if you disagree with 100% of what people write or Moderator's decisions, just ignore the "noise" and crunch for the value of the science to which you are contributing.

If you thought your contribution to the project had value, then I suggest that ill-informed decisions and pseudo-science posted here don't diminish the value of your contribution.
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