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Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Does intelligent design theory implement the scientific method? Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19044 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
No and never has done. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
And never will. Cheers. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
It sure does and the link proved that very fact. This question has been asked many, many times of me and I have said that ID does used the scientific method and here is your proof of that very fact. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Does intelligent design theory implement the scientific method? It is poor netiquette to have 3 separate threads on the same topic all coming from the same poster. 1) "They then seek to find CSI. One easily testable form of CSI is irreducible complexity (IC)." In the sciences, the terms must not be ambiguous. You cannot form a researchable question upon ambiguous terms. The term "irreducible complexity" assumes the observation and the desired conclusion. 2) "If they find them [supposed evidence of IC], they can conclude design." No. Very unscientific. They should be calculating the probability it was due to design or the probability it was not due to design. (Now, how do they propose to do THAT?!?) Even if the probability it was not due to design turned out to be very low, it could still be not due to design! Perhaps a lurking variable has been ignored. 3) " Language and machines are good examples of things with much CSI. From our understanding of the world, high levels of CSI are always the product of intelligent design." Who's understanding? Wait. What?!? OK, please find me evidence of the first humans that spoke and evidence that they designed language and how. From the table: 4) "Similar parts found in different organisms. Many genes and functional parts not distributed in a manner predicted by ancestry, and are often found in clearly unrelated organisms. The "root" of the tree of life is a prime example." Why did the creator(s) choose to repeat themselves? Functional things could be made in so many ways! So, it must be they said, "Hey, we've found something that works. Let's stick without. We could go around being original for each and every life-form we create ... errr, design, but heck, we're ust happy we could do it this once." |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
So, as we see in my previous post, first bullet point: circular reasoning is NOT science. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Have you ever googled the topics that you post and have you read the links that have nothing to do with any part of the Discovery Institute's many offshoots? If you ever have then you'll see that your theology theories are all either shot down and I've yet to find any other Scientific Organization backing that intelligent design is in any form related to science of any type. Here's another good quote, Intelligent design and scientific method Cheers. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
It is poor netiquette to have 3 separate threads on the same topic all coming from the same poster. Here's a scientific fact for you. The world does not work Monday to Fridays. You really need to do two things. Go to bed earlier so that your brain can wake up properly refreshed. If it doesn't just hit that reset switch. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Return to topic.... Does intelligent design theory implement the scientific method? The answer is yes, the theory sure would be using the scientific method. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Here... Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
What predictions does "intelligent design theory" make, that can be tested? One of their predictions is "there will be no junk DNA" (and, perhaps, no vestigial organs/appendages?). If we remove a vestigial tail, does a human no longer function? |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
What predictions does "intelligent design theory" make, that can be tested? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-debunk-junk-dna-theory-to-reveal-vast-majority-of-human-genes-perform-a-vital-function-8106777.html http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/08/why_we_call_the063041.html Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22182 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Yawn... This has rattled around for some considerable time. "Junk DNA" was so called because nobody had found a use for it, or what its function was. Progressively functionality bits were identified, and so there was less "junk" than there was. The word "junk" was/is a short hand for "We don't know what it does, we don't know if its got a function and we are going to carrying on looking to see if really does something, or is really and truly garbage". The popular press (like The Independent, and many others) picked up on this rather lazy word as it made for a short headline. I doubt that many, if any, in the fields studying the function genomes actually believed much of that DNA which was functionally unassigned believed that it really was "junk", rather was in the huge bucket of "Tuit DNA" (which might have been a better word to have used?). Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Please let me know when you come to a point. Yawn... Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Intelligent Designis unscientific, because it is not testable or Pssst. THAT thread is over <=== here. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Intelligent Designis unscientific, because it is not testable or Pssst. THAT is over <=== here. Pssst. and is over <=== here. Pssst. and is over <=== here. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22182 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
OK, my point is, you (and, by inference, other protagonists of the Intelligent Design Theory) are attempting to create a story from a bit of (very poor) shorthand. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Not at all. And you have not had time to watch and listen to the above links I posted. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22182 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Sorry, your posts are all newer than the fist use of "junk DNA" as a lazy shorthand so are just as irrelevant as the Independent's article. (I fist heard the term "junk DNA" about 30 years ago, by a genetics researched I worked with who was answering a question which went along the lines "What do you call the rest of the genome?" answer "Junk DNA, because we haven't worked out what it does yet, but it almost certainly does something".) So, go back and read PRIME sources, rather than UK mass media, or your usual selective reviews. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Sorry, your posts are all newer than the fist use of "junk DNA" as a lazy shorthand so are just as irrelevant as the Independent's article. Ah, so you finally come to a point. If it's not junk then it's designed. Correct? Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
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