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Message 1511237 - Posted: 2 May 2014, 12:15:33 UTC

Having produced neutrons in my youth I believe in their existence. They don't feel any dark energy or dark matter attraction.
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Message 1511251 - Posted: 2 May 2014, 13:32:44 UTC

Dark matter doesn't interact with normal matter, that's one of the reasons it is so hard to trace.

We do have the hypothetical particles, called WIMPS (weakly interacting massive particles) They interact through the weak nuclear force and gravitation; Because they do not interact through electromagnetism they cannot be seen directly, and because they do not interact through the strong nuclear force they do not interact strongly with atomic nuclei. Because of this they don't interact with normal particles, but do interact with other WIMPs. Also, this combination of properties gives WIMPs many of the properties of neutrinos, except for being far more massive and therefore slower. When WIMPs react with each other they emit gamma rays.

Found an interesting read on the interactions between dark energy and dark matter:



https://www.imprs-astro.mpg.de/sites/default/files/Baldi_Marco_2009_0.pdf
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Message 1511298 - Posted: 2 May 2014, 14:51:53 UTC - in response to Message 1511120.  

I don't really have any theory about dark matter. Most people say that it is the stuff that glues the universe together, else the stars would fly about all over the place. But all stars are part of galaxies, and at the centre of each Galaxy is believed to be a super massive black hole. It is the intense gravity exerted by that that which holds galaxies together. Our own one is Saggitarius A.

But if they say that "something" called dark matter needs to exist, to explain what we observe then that is fine with me. Doesn't alter my view of anything else.

According to the experts, the black holes at the center of galaxies don't have enough mass on their own to hold a galaxy together. Since I am not educated enough in these things I have grown to accept the analysis of the experts, but I am sure that before too long a greater understanding will reveal that even the current theories are incomplete and flawed.
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Message 1511311 - Posted: 2 May 2014, 15:10:02 UTC

So far LHC has not found any neutralino or other WIMP. They must be more massive than the Higgs boson and may be found when LHC is upgraded to 14 TeV or must wait for the SuperLHC with a circumference of 100 km. I believe in experiments more than in theory.
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Message 1511440 - Posted: 2 May 2014, 18:19:34 UTC - in response to Message 1511348.  

Forget dark matter! Scientists capture unprecedented images of DIM MATTER that connects galaxies throughout the universe


The images were captured using the Cosmic Web Imager in California
They are estimated to have origins from 2 billion years after the Big Bang
Dim matter is part of the ‘cosmic web’- a network of smaller and larger filaments crisscrossing one another across the vastness of space
Substance has, up until now, been a theory on how galaxies are connected
The images could help astronomers better understand the structure of the cosmic web that flows through the universe

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2618951/Forget-dark-matter-Scientists-capture-unprecedented-images-DIM-MATTER-connects-galaxies-universe.html
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Message 1511478 - Posted: 2 May 2014, 19:15:27 UTC
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Dim matter? Ok... not for a Friday night:) Thanx for the link Lynn:)

[edit]Has something to do with the cosmic strings, filaments maybe? Anyway, will read it later on:) So, that's a different 'matter' then? Now you got me curious, gonna read it anyway:)
[edit²] I knew it! The IGM...
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Message 1511611 - Posted: 3 May 2014, 3:18:31 UTC - in response to Message 1511478.  

Now you got me curious, gonna read it anyway:)


... and looked at the pictures too. Very interesting :)
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Message 1511719 - Posted: 3 May 2014, 8:44:30 UTC
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If a hydrogen atom emits a photon as in the Lyman-alpha emission, would they be entangled? I put this question to prof. Roberto Battiston of Trento University and he answered yes. So, even if the atom felt inside the event horizon, maybe because it felt into a black hole, by making a measurement on the photon I would still get some information on the atom. This was considered a paradox by Einstein, Podolsky and Rosen in 1935 but experiments have confirmed this.See e.g Bernard D'Espagnat, "A la recherche du reel", Bordat, Paris, 1981.
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Message 1511758 - Posted: 3 May 2014, 12:51:01 UTC - in response to Message 1511440.  

Forget dark matter! Scientists capture unprecedented images of DIM MATTER that connects galaxies throughout the universe


The images were captured using the Cosmic Web Imager in California
They are estimated to have origins from 2 billion years after the Big Bang
Dim matter is part of the ‘cosmic web’- a network of smaller and larger filaments crisscrossing one another across the vastness of space
Substance has, up until now, been a theory on how galaxies are connected
The images could help astronomers better understand the structure of the cosmic web that flows through the universe

Pic's in link

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2618951/Forget-dark-matter-Scientists-capture-unprecedented-images-DIM-MATTER-connects-galaxies-universe.html

Like I said, wait long enough and the current theories become outdated as more is discovered.
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Message 1511821 - Posted: 3 May 2014, 16:43:07 UTC - in response to Message 1511758.  
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Forget dark matter! Scientists capture unprecedented images of DIM MATTER that connects galaxies throughout the universe


The images were captured using the Cosmic Web Imager in California
They are estimated to have origins from 2 billion years after the Big Bang
Dim matter is part of the ‘cosmic web’- a network of smaller and larger filaments crisscrossing one another across the vastness of space
Substance has, up until now, been a theory on how galaxies are connected
The images could help astronomers better understand the structure of the cosmic web that flows through the universe

Pic's in link

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2618951/Forget-dark-matter-Scientists-capture-unprecedented-images-DIM-MATTER-connects-galaxies-universe.html

Like I said, wait long enough and the current theories become outdated as more is discovered.


We will keep on building on the basic theories of science we grow more and more familiar with. It's always good to have 'dreamers', even in science. Within the 'dreaming' new discoveries can be made to complement the theories we already know of and are familiar with and which are refuted of course.
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Message 1513156 - Posted: 7 May 2014, 10:52:46 UTC

My teamcoach just told me the expansion of the Universe was already predicted in the Koran in the year 500! He will mail me the verse where he read it, interesting... Wonder if they mentioned anything about dark energy...
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Message 1513311 - Posted: 7 May 2014, 19:48:29 UTC

Oh my... The Bible never said that... Thanx Chris:)
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Message 1513320 - Posted: 7 May 2014, 20:10:55 UTC - in response to Message 1513301.  

Apparently 51:47

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Such is the nature of Belief.

In the same style as of Nostradamus, you can Believe brief words to surely expand to any meaning you wish. For that has been written, in all surity, by a Great One!


Yae! If you are a True Believer!

For that writing has been written as foretold by Me!


All easy enough when you expand from scant detail all grand in self aggrandisements.

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Message 1513330 - Posted: 7 May 2014, 20:17:49 UTC - in response to Message 1513320.  

Apparently 51:47

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Such is the nature of Belief.

In the same style as of Nostradamus, you can Believe brief words to surely expand to any meaning you wish. For that has been written, in all surity, by a Great One!


Yae! If you are a True Believer!

For that writing has been written as foretold by Me!


All easy enough when you expand from scant detail all grand in self aggrandisements.

Keep search in,
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Ok Martin, but you can't deny that they actually wrote those words down when people still believed the Earth was a flat disc!
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Message 1513355 - Posted: 7 May 2014, 20:24:52 UTC - in response to Message 1513311.  

Oh my... The Bible never said that... Thanx Chris:)


A beautiful read. Translations can be susceptible to interpretation however... and what language you choose to use... in the case of the Quran - Arabic or Syriac. In the example of 72 virgins promised to martyrs, recruitment would probably drop significantly and for those already martyred there might be some disappointment when their raisins arrive. Christian texts may too have suffered some mistranslations between Greek and Latin. For those who believe, it probably doesn't matter too much if they feel the message remains essentially true.

You asked about whether the Quoran mentions Dark matter Julie. I found this.

Quran - dark matter and the seven heavens
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Message 1513368 - Posted: 7 May 2014, 20:30:52 UTC - in response to Message 1513355.  

Oh my... The Bible never said that... Thanx Chris:)


A beautiful read. Translations can be susceptible to interpretation however... and what language you choose to use... in the case of the Quran - Arabic or Syriac. In the example of 72 virgins promised to martyrs, recruitment would probably drop significantly and for those already martyred there might be some disappointment when their raisins arrive. Christian texts may too have suffered some mistranslations between Greek and Latin. For those who believe, it probably doesn't matter too much if they feel the message remains essentially true.

You asked about whether the Quoran mentions Dark matter Julie. I found this.

Quran - dark matter and the seven heavens



That means 'intelligence' has something to do with 'matter' hm, correct me if I'm wrong but that brings it all back to Humanities imo
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Message 1513381 - Posted: 7 May 2014, 20:38:44 UTC - in response to Message 1513330.  
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Apparently 51:47

Quoran

Such is the nature of Belief.

In the same style as of Nostradamus, you can Believe brief words to surely expand to any meaning you wish. For that has been written, in all surity, by a Great One!


Yae! If you are a True Believer!

For that writing has been written as foretold by Me!


All easy enough when you expand from scant detail all grand in self aggrandisements.

Keep search in,
Martin



Ok Martin, but you can't deny that they actually wrote those words down when people still believed the Earth was a flat disc!


Hi Julie :) That IS intriguing - but don't forget the story of the three wise men who came from the east to visit the stable. These guys were, I suppose, the equivalent of modern astrologer's now - but what they were first and foremeost then were stargazers, astronomers even, who kept meticulous records of their observations.

Just as there are people alive today who still believe the earth is flat, there may well have been others then who believed no such thing. Anyway - just speculating :)
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Message 1513384 - Posted: 7 May 2014, 20:44:13 UTC - in response to Message 1513381.  
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Apparently 51:47

Quoran

Such is the nature of Belief.

In the same style as of Nostradamus, you can Believe brief words to surely expand to any meaning you wish. For that has been written, in all surity, by a Great One!


Yae! If you are a True Believer!

For that writing has been written as foretold by Me!


All easy enough when you expand from scant detail all grand in self aggrandisements.

Keep search in,
Martin



Ok Martin, but you can't deny that they actually wrote those words down when people still believed the Earth was a flat disc!


Hi Julie :) That IS intriguing - but don't forget the story of the three wise men who came from the east to visit the stable. These guys were, I suppose, the equivalent of modern astrologer's now - but what they were first and foremeost then were stargazers, astronomers even, who kept meticulous records of their observations.

Just as there are people alive today who still believe the earth is flat, there may well have been others then who believed no such thing. Anyway - just speculating :)



Those are the stories we remember, as a child, at the christmas tree... but it's quite intriguing how the mind works actually... The mind is sometimes so far separated from reality and though harmonizes with it.

[edit] Tell me if I'm exaggerating
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Message 1513385 - Posted: 7 May 2014, 20:44:25 UTC - in response to Message 1513368.  
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Oh my... The Bible never said that... Thanx Chris:)


A beautiful read. Translations can be susceptible to interpretation however... and what language you choose to use... in the case of the Quran - Arabic or Syriac. In the example of 72 virgins promised to martyrs, recruitment would probably drop significantly and for those already martyred there might be some disappointment when their raisins arrive. Christian texts may too have suffered some mistranslations between Greek and Latin. For those who believe, it probably doesn't matter too much if they feel the message remains essentially true.

You asked about whether the Quoran mentions Dark matter Julie. I found this.

Quran - dark matter and the seven heavens



That means 'intelligence' has something to do with 'matter' hm, correct me if I'm wrong but that brings it all back to Humanities imo


:) I don't know - probably! I got so confused by the mental gymnastics to bring string theory and M theory into it all - I'm going to have to go and have a strong coffee before I read it again :)
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Message 1513386 - Posted: 7 May 2014, 20:47:32 UTC - in response to Message 1513385.  

Oh my... The Bible never said that... Thanx Chris:)


A beautiful read. Translations can be susceptible to interpretation however... and what language you choose to use... in the case of the Quran - Arabic or Syriac. In the example of 72 virgins promised to martyrs, recruitment would probably drop significantly and for those already martyred there might be some disappointment when their raisins arrive. Christian texts may too have suffered some mistranslations between Greek and Latin. For those who believe, it probably doesn't matter too much if they feel the message remains essentially true.

You asked about whether the Quoran mentions Dark matter Julie. I found this.

Quran - dark matter and the seven heavens



That means 'intelligence' has something to do with 'matter' hm, correct me if I'm wrong but that brings it all back to Humanities imo


:) I don't know - probably! I got so confused by the mental gymnastics to bring string theory and M theory into it all - I'm going to have to go and have a strong coffee before I read it again :)



Ok Annie:)
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