All that these large particle colliders will do is to show even more unknown exotic particles that the scientists then have to explain the existence of. I'd rather see the money spent on cures for cancer.

True:( It does grab people's imagination though. Very expensive 'toy' it is:(

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The knowledge gained from CERN will undoubtedly, one day, lead to a benefit for all of human kind. The benefit may be far in the future and maybe can't even be imagined now.

The number "three" is an abstract construct as are all numbers. They describe what happens in our world. Quantum Mechanics and Nuclear physics have led to transistors, lasers and nuclear power and hundreds of other adaptations to modern medicine and society at large.

The benefit will come; it is true of most knowledge.

Here is an explanation by Peter Skands of CERN about the work we do at vLHC@home (former Test4Theory@home):

We run comparisons not only with LHC data, but also with data from many past colliders, such as the Large Electron Positron Collider (LEP) and the Super Proton Synchrotron (SPS) that preceded the LHC at CERN, Fermilab's Tevatron collider, and SLAC's SLD experiment. By doing that, we not only get a sense of how well the generators compare to the LHC data (our main present goal), but also whether and how well they describe the scaling with collider energy, and between electron-positron and proton-(anti)proton beam types. These tests are definitely useful for the efforts to plan future colliders, such as the International Linear Collider (ILC) and the Future Circular Collider (FCC), as well as a possible muon collider, the Compact Linear Collider (CLIC) and other studies now being undertaken around the globe.

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CERN looks to the future for the second edition of TEDxCERN

Geneva, 28 July 2014. Following the success of the first TEDxCERN event last year, CERN1 will be hosting a second TEDx conference on 24 September 2014 on the theme “Forward: Charting the future with science”. Some 15 speakers will present their innovative and ambitious projects, which apply science to respond to problems facing the world today and prepare for those of tomorrow.
Their short but inspiring talks will be grouped into three themed sessions – "adapt", "change" and "create" – according to the stance that they take on confronting global challenges such as the efficient management of natural resources or extending access to healthcare to non-urban areas. Each session will include a performance that combines art and science from artists such as musician Nitin Sawhney and dancer Andrew Nemr. Particle physicist and BBC presenter Brian Cox will host the conference.

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I sincerely hope that it will do William. There are times that I see little benefit in our present lives. But if we are actually paving the way for a better future for mankind, then that has to be the way forward, Shame you and I won't see it.

You never know... You just might...


Keep searchin',
Martin

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oh Julie Brian Cox will be there at cern darn if i had the funds i'd go just to see and here Brain Cox i even follow him on twitter :)

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oh Julie Brian Cox will be there at cern darn if i had the funds i'd go just to see and here Brain Cox i even follow him on twitter :)

Maybe you will get another chance to see him Glenn:)

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Awakening the potential of plasma acceleration

Civil engineering has begun for the new Proton Driven Plasma Wakefield Acceleration Experiment (AWAKE) at CERN. This proof-of-principle experiment will harness the power of wakefields generated by proton beams in plasma cells, producing accelerator gradients hundreds of times higher than those used in current radiofrequency cavities.
Like all of CERN's experiments, AWAKE is a collaborative endeavour with institutes and organisations participating around the world. "But unlike fixed-target experiments, where users take over once CERN has delivered the facility, in AWAKE, the synchronised proton, electron and laser beams provided by CERN are an integral part of the experiment," says project leader Edda Gschwendtner. "CERN's involvement in the project goes well beyond providing infrastructure and services."

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Julie do you know what they are trying to acctually do in that wake experiment ? I don't understand what it's going to achive

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Julie do you know what they are trying to acctually do in that wake experiment ? I don't understand what it's going to achive

From the article:

This proof-of-principle experiment will harness the power of wakefields generated by proton beams in plasma cells, producing accelerator gradients hundreds of times higher than those used in current radiofrequency cavities.

I found this link too for you, where Wakefields and Impedances and are more explained:


https://emetral.web.cern.ch/emetral/USPAS09course/WakeFieldsAndImpedances.pdf

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Julie do you know what they are trying to acctually do in that wake experiment ? I don't understand what it's going to achive

Good question.

My guess is that they wish to harness the newly developed "acceleration gradient" so that a particle accelerator many miles long can be greatly reduced in size to something faster that is also not yet more many miles long...

It is experimenting to accelerate particles more quickly in a much shorter distance.

In a way, a bit like using new materials for making a taller and steeper roller-coaster!


Keep searchin',
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Thanks martin , ok i understand what there doing now thanks

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Happy Birthday CERN!


A September packed with events to celebrate CERN’s 60th anniversary

Geneva, 1 September 2014.
On 29 September 1954, the CERN1 Convention entered into force, officially establishing the European Organization for Nuclear Research with 12 European member states. Now the world's biggest particle physics laboratory, CERN is celebrating “60 years of science for peace” with an official ceremony and several public events taking place throughout September.
The highlight of this anniversary month will be the official ceremony on 29 September, which will be attended by many representatives of CERN’s Member States, Associate Member States and Observers. Journalists can attend this event, subject to having obtained accreditation before 18 September via Indico.
“With its discoveries and innovations, CERN has been bringing the world together through science for 60 years. We'd like to celebrate this important anniversary with our friends and neighbours.”, said Rolf Heuer, CERN’s Director General.
CERN is also inviting the general public to several cultural events commemorating its anniversary: concerts, a film, a play, shows and lectures will all bring science to the general population, adults and children alike.

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On Radio 2 of Canton Ticino, the Italian Cantone of Switzerland, there was a story about the fears that CERN could turn to military purposes and violate the neutrality of Switzerland. You know, CERN means European Council for Nuclear Research and when people hear the word "nuclear" they think of nuclear bombs. But, also following the wish of Edoardo Amaldi, one of the Founding Fathers, the statute of CERN excluded any military research.
Tullio

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On Radio 2 of Canton Ticino, the Italian Cantone of Switzerland, there was a story about the fears that CERN could turn to military purposes

What's brought that on Tullio ....not the B/S in the Ukraine ??

geess ,that's is still a regional conflict !

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Thanx for the update Tullio, I really hope CERN stays out of military hands!

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Amaldi was very firm on that. He tells the story that having visited his former boss Enrico Fermi in Chicago he was told he could not take a walk with him because he did not have the necessary clearances. Of course Fermi had taken part in the Manhattan project but also had refused to join Edward Teller on developing the H bomb.
Tullio
There is a project in Jordan, a synchrotron radiation facility, called SESAME in which Arab, Iranian, Jordan and Israeli scientists take part. It is directed by an Italian coming from the Elettra Synchrotron built by Carlo Rubbia near Trieste and the Area Science Park where I worked from 1991 to `994.

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Finding the 'God' particle could destroy the universe, warns Stephen Hawking

The Higgs boson 'God particle' could destroy the universe, Hawking says
Space and time could suddenly collapse - and 'we would not see it coming'
If scientists put too much energy in the Higgs boson the universe could end
Disaster very unlikely as physicists do not have large enough collider

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746727/Maybe-shouldn-t-looking-quite-hard-God-particle-destroy-universe-warns-Stephen-Hawking.html

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Finding the 'God' particle could destroy the universe, warns Stephen Hawking

The Higgs boson 'God particle' could destroy the universe, Hawking says
Space and time could suddenly collapse - and 'we would not see it coming'
If scientists put too much energy in the Higgs boson the universe could end
Disaster very unlikely as physicists do not have large enough collider

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746727/Maybe-shouldn-t-looking-quite-hard-God-particle-destroy-universe-warns-Stephen-Hawking.html

Stephen Hawking is a wise man. I, for one, am very concerned about the experiments with the LHC at CERN and other particle accelerators.

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Stephen Hawking says Higgs boson has potential to destroy entire universe.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/stephen-hawking-says-higgs-boson-has-potential-to-destroy-entire-universe/story-fn5fsgyc-1227050890169

Stephen Hawking has warned that the Higgs boson, the so-called God particle, could cause space and time to collapse.

But there is time for lunch: It may take trillions of years to topple.

The British professor said that at very high energy levels the Higgs boson – the subatomic particle which gives us our shape and size - could become so unstable that it would cause space and time to collapse.

Hawking made his comments in the preface to a new book, Starmus.

The Higgs boson field is the force within the universe which give particles mass and therefore acts as the “glue” which holds everything together. Without that “glue”, we’d all disintegrate at the speed of light.

Now, Hawking’s comments that the Higgs “has the worrisome feature that it might become metastable” at very high energies has reignited those fears.

This will cause fresh concerns over the current plans to build 4 much larger particle accelerators (3 of them in China).

Cheers.