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Message 1431061 - Posted: 20 Oct 2013, 13:15:29 UTC

Aussie fire

I hope you good folks don't take the Bible Revelation too seriously. If it isn't the USA burning down or being hit with hurricanes, it's somewhere else. Japanese Tsunamis etc. Pacific rim of fire earthquakes. There shall be plaques and pestilences, and Nation shall wage war upon Nation ......

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Message 1431065 - Posted: 20 Oct 2013, 13:21:36 UTC - in response to Message 1431061.

Or maybe people will finally admit that climate change is real, and does have an effect on us. No god needed for all this, just stupid people.
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Message 1431080 - Posted: 20 Oct 2013, 14:02:36 UTC
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2013 does seem to have been a signal year for disaster after disaster, man made or natural. I'm looking forward to 2014 for a number of reasons :-)

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Message 1431130 - Posted: 20 Oct 2013, 16:38:11 UTC - in response to Message 1431065.

Or maybe people will finally admit that climate change is real, and does have an effect on us. No god needed for all this, just stupid people.

Yeah, agreed, We have our share here.
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Message 1431223 - Posted: 20 Oct 2013, 20:53:13 UTC

We are very use to bushfires over here and a lot of our fauna will not reproduce unless fire is involved.

Two things with these recent bushfires is that,

1/ Because of the "Greenies" there is now so much red tape to go through before winter fire hazard reduction burn can be done (basically they just don't want these done so fuel on the ground builds up) so these burns have been reduced down to around 10% of what use to be norm.

2/ These communities are built is some of the most rugged and wooded country available here, either on ridgelines or down in gullies. When these houses were built they had to have clear areas around them but over the years the people owning these homes have let the bush grow back around their homes, and a lot actually helped speed up this progress, which is just plain stupid and asking for trouble (as we have seen yet again). A lot of these places also only have 1 route in and out of their area making them even more dangerous.

As a volunteer fire fighter of over 15yrs I certainly wouldn't want to live in these areas to start with and the people living in these areas really need to wake up to themselves and think about their safety instead of wanting to make their areas more green and leafy, but it's the "Greenies" that really need a wake up call as their red tape will eventually kill many more people if the winter fire hazard reduction burnings don't get back to levels of the 70's-90's.

Climate change can't be blamed here, but a lot of stupid people can.

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Message 1431305 - Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 2:59:11 UTC - in response to Message 1431223.

We are very use to bushfires over here and a lot of our fauna will not reproduce unless fire is involved.

As I well know from the chaparral here in Southern California. Seeds will not germinate unless they have "smelled" smoke. Fire is a requirement of their life cycle. Fire suppression over the decades has 1000X the effect of climate change on the intensity of wildfire.

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Message 1431324 - Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 5:38:36 UTC - in response to Message 1431305.

We are very use to bushfires over here and a lot of our fauna will not reproduce unless fire is involved.

As I well know from the chaparral here in Southern California. Seeds will not germinate unless they have "smelled" smoke. Fire is a requirement of their life cycle. Fire suppression over the decades has 1000X the effect of climate change on the intensity of wildfire.

I totaly agree Gary. The smokey the bear campaign that we grew up with did more harm then good. All it did was make more fuel to burn when it did ignite. Fire in the forests is normal and as you stated is needed. And How many years has it been since you have seen old smokey saying, Only you can prevent forest fires.

I think the policy is let it burn but contain and get rid of the fuel. Unless it gets near a population center. And I believe some states out west do have the clear lanes around houses also. But as I live in NY state I dont know for sure.
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Message 1431368 - Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 9:49:50 UTC - in response to Message 1431324.

The Australian ecosystem is mostly a "fire based" one as well. They can track it through fossil records when the Eucalyptus trees became dominant as they are very fire prone. Most of them survive a normal "burn" that removes competing species.

The problem starts when people build in the forest areas, without a "defence zone" that's pretty much vegetation free. Then the "once in 50 year" weather even leads to these uncontrolled fires.

Not saying climate chance isn't a factor, but the fires are the "worst in ~40 years". Suggesting that 40 years ago they had similar fire. But populations have grown, and spread into the forest areas, so more houses are in danger.

Makes me glad I live in a "rain forest" climate. Its hard to even light a camp fire here....

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Message 1432545 - Posted: 24 Oct 2013, 9:21:01 UTC
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Well Al Gore really put his foot in his mouth this time by blaming "Global Warming" on our fires here.

The 3 largest fires in 3 states here were started because the Army here were firing live ordinance on their firing ranges at the time, now how stupid is our Army? (I hope that heads will roll there)

Other than a couple of small fires started by lightening strikes the rest were found to be deliberately lit.

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Message 1432631 - Posted: 24 Oct 2013, 16:49:32 UTC

IIRC something like 95% of the wildfires are caused by man. Sparking power lines, vehicle fires, sparks from landscape equipment ... and of course arson.

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Message 1432633 - Posted: 24 Oct 2013, 16:59:30 UTC - in response to Message 1431368.

The Australian ecosystem is mostly a "fire based" one as well. They can track it through fossil records when the Eucalyptus trees became dominant as they are very fire prone. Most of them survive a normal "burn" that removes competing species.

The problem starts when people build in the forest areas, without a "defence zone" that's pretty much vegetation free. Then the "once in 50 year" weather even leads to these uncontrolled fires.

Not saying climate chance isn't a factor, but the fires are the "worst in ~40 years". Suggesting that 40 years ago they had similar fire. But populations have grown, and spread into the forest areas, so more houses are in danger.

Makes me glad I live in a "rain forest" climate. Its hard to even light a camp fire here....

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And on the top of a mostly submerged continent too...
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Message 1432634 - Posted: 24 Oct 2013, 16:59:39 UTC

Lightning strikes start a lot of bush fires in Oz as well.

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Message 1432870 - Posted: 24 Oct 2013, 22:43:39 UTC

And on the top of a mostly submerged continent too...

How do you mean?

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Message 1432946 - Posted: 25 Oct 2013, 0:31:26 UTC - in response to Message 1432870.

And on the top of a mostly submerged continent too...

How do you mean?

Notice the light blue area pointing towards Australia and pointing away in the opposite direction? That's a largely submerged continent, as the light blue areas are continental crust that are one time were above sea level(shaped short of like the UK, only bigger), it's theorized that a hotspot got rid of a decent amount of Zealandia's lower basement, so most of the continent sank after detaching from Australia.

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Message 1432951 - Posted: 25 Oct 2013, 0:36:56 UTC

Vic, what the heck does that have to do with the fires.
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Message 1432955 - Posted: 25 Oct 2013, 0:39:41 UTC - in response to Message 1432951.

Vic, what the heck does that have to do with the fires.

IANAB said He lived in a rain forest in New Zealand and I said on a mostly submerged continent, then someone asked what that was, now do you understand Uli?
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Message 1432968 - Posted: 25 Oct 2013, 0:58:28 UTC

Vic, the fires are in Australia, not New Zealand. Totally different Countries.

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Message 1432969 - Posted: 25 Oct 2013, 1:00:54 UTC - in response to Message 1432968.

Vic, the fires are in Australia, not New Zealand. Totally different Countries.

I know that, I know where most countries in the world are, plus yeah Australia is from what I've seen has more than its share of fires. IANAB mentioned New Zealand, sheesh...
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Message 1432972 - Posted: 25 Oct 2013, 1:08:29 UTC

All I am saying Vic, you are off topic, since it has nothing to do with the fires in Australia.
Sheesh back at ya.
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Message 1433016 - Posted: 25 Oct 2013, 4:36:48 UTC - in response to Message 1432972.

All I am saying Vic, you are off topic, since it has nothing to do with the fires in Australia.
Sheesh back at ya.

Looks like the tread started talking about disasters in general. The Aussie fire was just one example. Plus the start included disasters in the US Japan and elsewhere. Sorry Uli Vic is not that far off.
Besides I had a bad day too. and I was no where near the Aussie fires.

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