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Message 1429861 - Posted: 17 Oct 2013, 20:47:06 UTC - in response to Message 1429563.  

8 and counting. Wow! even Mark would be hard pushed to keep up with that!


Do you know how to get to ten?




Number
Hebrew
Phonetic and Translation
1

talmida ah'at* : a student (female)
1

talmid eh'ad* : a student (male)
2

shtey* yeladote : two girls
2

shney* yeladim : two boys
3

shalosh kitot : three classes
3

shlosha banim : three sons
4

arba tmounote : four pictures
4

arba'a h'averim : four friends
5

h'amesh ah'ayote : five sisters
5

h'amisha ah'im : five brothers
6

shesh shahote : six hours
6

shisha yamim : six days
7

shèva bah'ourote : seven young women
7

shiv'a bah'ourim : seven young men
8

shmone médinote : eight countries
8

shmona ganavim : eight thieves
9

tesha morote : nine teachers (women)
9

tish'a morim : nine teachers (men)
10

esser agorote : ten agorot (dimes)


Odd. I would have thought the Israelis would have invented the abstract concept of ten by now.



{∅}
{∅,{∅}}
{∅,{∅,{∅} }}
{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅} } }}
{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅} } } }}
{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅} } } } }}
{∅{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅} } } } } }}
{∅,{∅{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅} } } } } } }}
{∅,{∅,{∅{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅} } } } } } } }}
{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅,{∅} } } } } } } } }}

Abstract enough for you, yet?


It doesn't come across in UTF-8. Which do I use to see it in Aramaic aka Hebrew?

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Message 1429945 - Posted: 17 Oct 2013, 23:24:43 UTC - in response to Message 1429861.  

LOL LOL LOL. You can't read skol, the empty set?
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Message 1430107 - Posted: 18 Oct 2013, 8:09:21 UTC - in response to Message 1429945.  

LOL LOL LOL. You can't read skol, the empty set?


I was expecting the Aramaic word for ten as separate from ten somethings. I realize the concept did not exist in Aramaic which is why I noted my surprise the Israelis had not invented a way of expressing it. They invented 2/3rds of the Israeli language based upon biblical "hebrew" and modern Arabic to get a working language before they added words for modern terms like electricity.

As there is no ten without ten somethings in biblical "hebrew" the way to say the abstract ten had to be invented by the Israelis or Zionists if you wish. I have the name of the guy who did most of the work to make Israeli called Hebrew into a working language around some place. There was something like 100th anniversary of his birth earlier this year. Anyway he got an article in Haaretz.

It does not take much reading at all to see the Judean hillbillies had no concept of numbers separate from the number of some things. You demonstrated that in your first post. You showed that the term only exists in relation to things. Of course I would be very happy to read examples of numbers separate from things from ancient Judean sources should they exist.

One hopes you are not suggesting the primitive hillbillies invented number theory.

BTW: Do you remember anything else from Shule?

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Message 1430120 - Posted: 18 Oct 2013, 8:42:05 UTC - in response to Message 1429945.  

LOL LOL LOL. You can't read skol, the empty set?


Seriously, are you enjoying games like this? Pretend superiority for knowledge of a narrow field of expertise? Back in the day it was important that I knew how to find and kill Russian ballistic missiles subs. Hardly something I ever mention but at least it is useful. You spent your time in hell on number theory. Bored me to tears. I have forgotten most all of it but vector calculus was my thing. So?

You should have realized no matter what you bring up I am going to use it to expand the material I have introduced in this thread and material related to it. You bring up the numbers you learned in Shule and I segue into the pidgin Greek of near eastern Aramaic speakers commonly called Hebrew.

This post itself is such a segue.

You appear to want me to point out again there is no evidence this "hebrew" was ever a spoken language and everyone saying anything implying it was is full of it. Anyone saying it has never examined the subject and knows nothing about the subject. That can lead us many places.

For example the DSS is clearly an abbreviation of the Septuagint and contains nothing different from it. The currently popular Masoretic is an abbreviation of the DSS and contains nothing different from it. Thus the Greek is the original.

Speaking of the DSS there is a traveling exhibit. I have not seen it but I have read a couple reports of it. Part of it in a hundred or so idols of Ashara/Astarte and not a single one suggesting any other god in Judea. So on one hand we have the people of Judea worshiping only the goddess. On the other hand we have a collection of stories of magic and heroes and kings and satyrs and unicorns talking about this Yahu cult of the priest-kings. Perhaps Yahu was never more than the household god of the Maccabes. That is the simplest suggestion from the evidence.

Do you really want to continue this?

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Message 1430209 - Posted: 18 Oct 2013, 12:48:07 UTC - in response to Message 1430120.  

Do you really want to continue this?


You do. ;)
Indeed, keep speaking.

I don't care what you think you know about my experiences, memories, knowledge and wisdom. ;)
But, keep speaking.
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Message 1430930 - Posted: 20 Oct 2013, 3:08:16 UTC - in response to Message 1430209.  

Do you really want to continue this?


You do. ;)
Indeed, keep speaking.

I don't care what you think you know about my experiences, memories, knowledge and wisdom. ;)
But, keep speaking.
Reveal the maize, brouddy.


As long as you are learning something.

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Message 1431406 - Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 13:00:18 UTC - in response to Message 1430930.  

Do you really want to continue this?


You do. ;)
Indeed, keep speaking.

I don't care what you think you know about my experiences, memories, knowledge and wisdom. ;)
But, keep speaking.
Reveal the maize, brouddy.


As long as you are learning something.


Ah, so you wish to be a teacher, having retired from something else in 1991?
It must be difficult, filling these past 22 years, eh?
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Message 1431538 - Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 18:58:34 UTC

Care to guess his age Sarge?
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Message 1431558 - Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 19:58:13 UTC - in response to Message 1431538.  

Care to guess his age Sarge?


I believe he said he retired from the military. I know military folk are hard-working, so they retire as early as 35 and 40. I figure he's about your age, Chris. (Other comments of his indicate this as well.)
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Message 1431589 - Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 20:35:00 UTC - in response to Message 1431558.  

most military folk go in at 18-21 years and can retire anywhere from 20-30 years later. that gives us a range of 38-51 when retired plus the 22 years is 60-73. If he were drafted he may have been a bit older than that but thats good estimate.

Also his attitude toward others show an old school racism. I'd put him closer to 70 than 60.
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Message 1431798 - Posted: 22 Oct 2013, 8:12:24 UTC - in response to Message 1431406.  
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Do you really want to continue this?


You do. ;)
Indeed, keep speaking.

I don't care what you think you know about my experiences, memories, knowledge and wisdom. ;)
But, keep speaking.
Reveal the maize, brouddy.


As long as you are learning something.


Ah, so you wish to be a teacher, having retired from something else in 1991?
It must be difficult, filling these past 22 years, eh?


Must be hell to need a job to have a life. Needing a boss to give you something to do. Sad really.
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Message 1431802 - Posted: 22 Oct 2013, 8:36:41 UTC

Yup, I'd guess at about late 60's. Rather sad really to end up being such an obsessed and bitter old man. I'll try and make sure it doesn't happen to me :-)
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Message 1431832 - Posted: 22 Oct 2013, 12:29:57 UTC - in response to Message 1431798.  

Do you really want to continue this?


You do. ;)
Indeed, keep speaking.

I don't care what you think you know about my experiences, memories, knowledge and wisdom. ;)
But, keep speaking.
Reveal the maize, brouddy.


As long as you are learning something.


Ah, so you wish to be a teacher, having retired from something else in 1991?
It must be difficult, filling these past 22 years, eh?


Must be hell to need a job to have a life. Needing a boss to give you something to do. Sad really.


Why do you speak of non-existent Sheol? :)
Why do you speak of bosses that need not direct the self-directed?
Why do you suppose life is not filled with other things?
Why are you a poor psychiatrist? :)
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Message 1431848 - Posted: 22 Oct 2013, 13:40:27 UTC - in response to Message 1431802.  

Warning --- straight line ahead --- danger Will Robinson
Yup, I'd guess at about late 60's. Rather sad really to end up being such an obsessed and bitter old man. I'll try and make sure it doesn't happen to me :-)

I suggest you redouble those efforts ...

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Message 1431853 - Posted: 22 Oct 2013, 13:53:33 UTC - in response to Message 1431848.  

Warning --- straight line ahead --- danger Will Robinson
Yup, I'd guess at about late 60's. Rather sad really to end up being such an obsessed and bitter old man. I'll try and make sure it doesn't happen to me :-)

I suggest you redouble those efforts ...


Hey, Chris is only bitter, not obsessed! :)
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Message 1431863 - Posted: 22 Oct 2013, 17:48:42 UTC

Yep! don't like lager!
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Message 1431932 - Posted: 22 Oct 2013, 20:13:38 UTC - in response to Message 1431863.  

Yep! don't like lager!


I'll take a Killian's Red, please? :)
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Message 1432145 - Posted: 23 Oct 2013, 9:44:10 UTC

Lager is okay provided it's a proper German style aged beer (as is lagern: to store).

Lager as applied to the various shades of fizzy dishwater that masquerade under the title (fosters etc) is beneath contempt.
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Message 1432147 - Posted: 23 Oct 2013, 9:46:37 UTC

Yes you definitely don't want Fosters.

They export it for a very good reason. ;-)

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Message 1432150 - Posted: 23 Oct 2013, 9:53:53 UTC

I have a friend in Germany that would disagree!
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