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Live updates: The shutdown showdown

Ok thanks, I wasn't fully aware of that, and I can't believe I'm not, having lived through it. Happy to be brought up to speed :-)

Which goes to show how big a deal this really is. Much ado about nothing. Still, the politicos probably find carrying on like this is easier than actually doing something useful.

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Just who is shutting down the government?

Added Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.): “Look, the bottom line is very simple: you negotiate on this, ...

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TEApublican response, "OMG he used the N word"

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the second sling was $88US. I brought the first sling in for the second surgery and was told I had no choice and had to pay [insurance paid it]. On confronting the Surgeon and insurance company I was told this how the system works. I found the same sling online for $15US. It boggles the mind.

My CPAP Masks are billed to Medicare and My Supplemental insurance provider at around $700

I can catch a sale on-line and buy it myself for as low as $129. Airway hose is billed at $75; cost on the internet is $5.00. I called Medicare and my insurance company. They seemed uninterested and reacted that that was the way the system works!!. As long as the bills are paid nobody gives a damn. I don't know if the billed amount was ever completely paid--in any event there sure is some funny business going on.

The payers are too far removed from the recipient of care.

My CPAP Masks are billed to Medicare and My Supplemental insurance provider at around $700

I had to pay $900 for my CPAP machine, and was billed an additional $400 for the water chamber when it was malfunctioning merely a month later. This was after my insurance paid for the other $1600 on the machine. That water chamber was purely out-of-pocket.

Love Dat Gubment SLIMdown. Stay Down fO Years. Please. Oh Yeah.

Sweetness



Slim 'it' fO eva

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Love Dat Gubment SLIMdown. Stay Down fO Years. Please. Oh Yeah.

Sweetness



Slim 'it' fO eva

What a Mess!

First time in 17 years. Next is the debt limit.

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I'll give you $20.oo for New York!

@celttooth

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I'll give you $20.oo for New York!

@celttooth

Sold!!!

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-Maryon Pearson-

What about Main and Vermont?


@celttooth

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What about Main and Vermont?


@celttooth

Nope!

Lynn

Unbelievable.


Have you seen http://www.nasa.gov for just one example:

Due to the lapse in federal government funding, this website is not available.
We sincerely regret this inconvenience.

For information about available government services, visit http://USA.gov.



Or is this one for "Only in the USA?"...

Keep searchin',
Martin

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[quote]Unbelievable.


Have you seen http://www.nasa.gov for just one example:

Due to the lapse in federal government funding, this website is not available.
We sincerely regret this inconvenience.

For information about available government services, visit http://USA.gov.



Or is this one for "Only in the USA?"...




97% of NASA told to stay at home for 55th birthday. Curiosity, is still up and running.

Lynn

This is the new norm. Most of us know what's going to happen. Those who have recently matured enough to see what's happening in washington for the first time in their lives will panic, thus continuing the cycle of fooling some of the people all of the time. They will soon learn and it'll be the next generation's turn to be fooled on the next go-round. There's no reason to believe the government is shutting down. It's just a symptom of what's really wrong is washington these days.

The people want a communist nanny state and the people think, ...once again, falsely, in history..., that it'll work this time.

Oh you do make me laugh sometimes. I just love the way your second paragraph is a complete non-sequitur.

Its like you just make random illogical fictitious assertions and try to tack them onto the end of reasonable statements to see if anyone is paying attention.

Of course there are unicorns up my chimney and they are telling Tom Cruise to convert everyone to Scientology.

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I have not seen this addressed anywhere. Some Government payment are issued monthly on the first, does that mean those ***** didn't get a check until this mess is resolved.
I hope so. But then again, they have money in the bank, that poor Joe doesn't.
So no skin of their back.

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My second paragraph is very sequitur.

If you can't make the connection, I don't care. Besides, what do you have to worry about, you're not in this country.

No according to you I am a slave in communist dictatorship. That's how out of touch with reality you are.

Look, it should be no surprise this was going to happen again. We haven't had a budget since Obama took office. We've been funding the government with a series of continuing resolutions (CRs) since he's been in office because we can't even agree on a budget. The democrats love the CRs because they hide how much is being spent and where it's being spent. The last CR/debt ceiling deal made was so the latest CR would run out at about the same time the new debt ceiling was reached. Since we've reached the end of this CR and the debt ceiling is now calculated to be reached a couple weeks later tells me that the republicans have successfully reduced government spending by a little bit. This is good news to me.

It has been reducing under Obama anyway, by a lot. But heh, who wants facts to get in the way of a good story.

Obamacare was passed without a single republican vote and they even had to bribe a handful of democrat senators to get it to pass. The democrats are ruling by dictating.

I don't think you understand what dictating is. I'd say dictating is not getting what you want through the democratic process and then sabotaging everything in an attempt to get your own way.

What's happening right now is nothing compared to what's going to happen October 17. I hope the republicans keep the government shut down beyond October 17. Beyond October 17 the government will be forced to spend only what they take in every month--hence a balanced budget.

You really think that is going to be a good idea? Really? You think that is what will happen?

The republicans will want to fund what is necessary to cause the least amount of pain on the population (the "must pays"); the democrats will want to fund only that which will cause the most amount of pain on the population (all the discretionary spending).

Blah, the Republicans are protecting the special interests who like things just the way they are because they can keep milking people endlessly.

What you're seeing in washington dc is the makers and takers duking it out. Luckily, here in the states, it happens inside the beltway and there's no shooting. The democrats are on the verge of a coup and I'm still not sure who's going to win. I'm willing to forego my monthly military retirement check for as long at it takes to put sanity back in washington dc. If I have to live without my military retirement check until the outcome of the 2016 presidential election, I'll do it. Unfortunatly, I'm not confident many others would be willing to do that.

I've been watching this crap for 23 years. I've seen it before and I'm getting ready to see it again. The bottom line is that the people want a communist nanny state and the people think, ...once again, falsely, in history..., that it'll work this time.

"People want a communist nanny state"

Nothing, absolutely nothing you have written supports that statement. Nothing in this debate anywhere supports that statement. I don't think you know what Communism is because there has been nothing discussed in Congress that could in any distant remote way be called Communism and only the sincerely deluded would a)call Obamacare communism b) think that shutting down the government because a certain party doesn't like the new law that congress passed using the democratic process, is in anyway a reasonable, sensible thing to do.

and using your method of arguing I am going to sum up by saying this clearly points to the obvious conclusion that Hitler makes casseroles on Tuesday nights for the local women's bowling team...and if you can't see that it doesn't matter because you're foreign.

and a communist.

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Who said the Confederacy was done for?
Looks like they are still fighting and
if the country stops working it is just
as good as losing 20,000 solders in a
winning battle.

Old Abe must be spinning in his grave.

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I don't think you understand what dictating is. I'd say dictating is not getting what you want through the democratic process and then sabotaging everything in an attempt to get your own way.

I would say that both sides are equally guilty of this. All republican house members and all senate democrats should lose their jobs permanently over this. Won't even sit down at a table and attempt a compromise. Damn bastard politicians. Need an amendment to immediately kick them out of office with complete loss of pension.

Blah, the Republicans are protecting the special interests who like things just the way they are because they can keep milking people endlessly.

The republicans [fat cats] own the private health insurance companies that will be issuing the Obamacare policies.

<pause to digest this fact>

Remember insurance companies, wall street investment banks, stock brokers, and commercial banks are frequently - since the repeal of the Glass–Steagall act - one in the same!

<pause to allow fact to enter processing>

Please consider why they might be opposed to making LARGE profits off the forced purchase mandate?

<pause for thinking>

Perhaps it is because they can innately consider actuarial tables?

<pause>

And what their own personal rates for this insurance are likely to be?

Are you ready to have the health insurance market crash the same way the real estate market just crashed, similar to the stock market crash of 1929? Is this what you want? A health insurance crash?

<pause>

You are being told a very important thing, but you are blinded by your faith in the government being able to regulate away the risk.

Regulations do not make risk go away. They may make you aware of it or set minimum set aside amounts, but the risk is still there waiting to bite. Remember how many banks have failed recently despite the regulations to set aside enough funds to "cover the risk."

Change Obamacare to single payer please!

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