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Message 1421372 - Posted: 28 Sep 2013, 11:22:20 UTC

I like how seriously the BBC is taking the story with that video.
"Don't worry, the animals will still be fed during a shutdown".
They've covered the important points.

So a few low paid workers get fired, so what, no doubt the senators keep their pay and perks.
Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.
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Message 1421399 - Posted: 28 Sep 2013, 13:08:13 UTC - in response to Message 1421378.  

I liked this bit ...
What is it about American Presidents that they think they are Lord God Almighty? Is that what they think, or what they get told?


Damn, they say patience is a virtue, well that's now confirmed!

What's this? The famed USA poodle Mr Chris S, the USA's own Brit champion finally having a pop at the US?

Who would have believed it?
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Message 1421438 - Posted: 28 Sep 2013, 15:09:09 UTC - in response to Message 1421378.  

What is it about American Presidents that they think they are Lord God Almighty?

You have to be sick in the head that way to ever want the job.

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Message 1421638 - Posted: 28 Sep 2013, 21:24:32 UTC

They've been down this road before, last year or the year before if my memory
serves me right. So nothing new, all will be resolved in good time.

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Message 1421649 - Posted: 28 Sep 2013, 21:41:08 UTC - in response to Message 1421638.  

They've been down this road before, last year or the year before if my memory
serves me right. So nothing new, all will be resolved in good time.



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So true.
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Message 1421851 - Posted: 29 Sep 2013, 5:26:10 UTC - in response to Message 1421822.  

11:19 update.

The House of Representatives votes to amend temporary spending bill that would avert a government shutdown to include a delay of ObamaCare by one year. The bill will now go to the Senate, where Democrats have threatened to reject it.
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Message 1422013 - Posted: 29 Sep 2013, 16:10:43 UTC - in response to Message 1421897.  

You have to be sick in the head that way to ever want the job.

I think that is a bit strong Gary. To be President of the United States of America is to be in most ways, the most powerful man in the world. But that power brings with it awesome responsibilities. But it is well known that he is surrounded by military advisors that like nothing better than to vote for another war for their own purposes. Military prowess only gets you so far in the world, if you want true followers you need something more than just guns and bullets to offer them.

Chris, you likely don't set the full measure of the story of the building of corruption necessary to want that office over there. The 2016 Presidential campaign started before the votes were counted for the 2012 election. That is over four years of US style campaign corruption a person is going to engage in. No fully sane person would ever do that. Yes, sick in the head is the correct term. Perhaps not in a was that shows up in the DSM but still not normal.

Perhaps another way to look at this is, how many of late have been caught doing criminal things? What percent of the general population is caught doing criminal things? Does that data suggest there may be a correlation?

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Message 1422106 - Posted: 29 Sep 2013, 20:10:20 UTC - in response to Message 1421364.  

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Message 1422108 - Posted: 29 Sep 2013, 20:13:01 UTC

Nice one Matt :-)
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Message 1422199 - Posted: 30 Sep 2013, 1:52:25 UTC

It makes me sick to my stomach. I had to go through that when I was in the service in 1977. We were told by Our commander while was doing a remote tour at Shemya AK. That we might not get paid if the Gov did not pass a budget. To say that there were some pissed off people would be a vast understatement. Thats also where my eyes were openend about the crap that goes on in Washington DC.

I hate both political parties. They are scum sucking, money grubbing back stabbing worthless pieces of dog dung. They are more concernd with lining thier own pockets then serving us the constituits. The ony thing we get is a shaft hard and deep in the keyster.
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Message 1422318 - Posted: 30 Sep 2013, 12:05:30 UTC

*yawn* Just congress having another hissy fit because they do not want people getting health care. They keep voting to repeal it, it gets shot down in the Senate over and over and never makes it to the presidents desk where it would be vetoed anyway. And then they turn around and try to blame the president.
The people have spoken, the President has spoken, the Senate has spoken, and Congress won't shut the heck up or do any other meaningful work if they do not get their way.

The opposite of Progress...
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Message 1422353 - Posted: 30 Sep 2013, 13:24:08 UTC - in response to Message 1422327.  

They are playing chicken with the economy. Heck they burnt the world economy down in 2008, might be time for them to do it again.
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Message 1422362 - Posted: 30 Sep 2013, 13:45:11 UTC - in response to Message 1422355.  

Why doesn't Congress want it? Is there a simple answer?

It isn't at all like the NHS. It is not signle payer. It is corporate special interest, just like the banks in 2008. Can you imagine when "they" crash health care?


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Message 1422423 - Posted: 30 Sep 2013, 16:11:16 UTC

It is a compromise between true national health care and a totally free market let the poor die system.

Lots of us would be screaming it is not hardly enough if we were not getting shouted down by those that think it goes much too far and calling anyone who wants national health care a communist. You know like the British and Canadians and.. well you get the idea.

Currently the "No care for you" crowd has the majority in congress.
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Message 1422439 - Posted: 30 Sep 2013, 16:31:31 UTC
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*yawn* Just congress having another hissy fit because they do not want people getting health care.


Here's my take on the actual situation. Most people want everyone to have health care (and they sort of do --you can go to the emergency room and they won't deny you care). The problem is that most of us do not want to pay for free healthcare for others. We actually are now since the fees and charges that we pay cover these unfortunates and still allow for outrageous profits for all concerned.

This feeling stems from the fact that they are already paying outrageous sums for their own healthcare and they know that the system overcharges by a factor of perhaps 5 times what it should cost. Additionally they are now paying into Medicare each month --like it or not. Those of us who are on medicare resent the additional $300 or so each month that we now pay to get the coverage. This is so since we have been paying in for a large part of our adult lives and are still paying in (if we are still working) from our wage deductions in addition to the fact that we have paid in over the years a big slug of money prior to age 65.

So the healthcare "system" is a grab bag for all of the special interest providers. It could be fixed overnight if we just had a benevolent dictator. In our current graftocracy of special interests it will never be fixed, and will suck up (along with gas and energy costs) an increasing percentage, if not all, of our discretionary income.

Fixing it would require ending the dollar bonanza now enjoyed by doctors, insurance companies, HMO's, Hospital Cartels, equipment manufacturers and suppliers,and big Pharmacy.
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Message 1422538 - Posted: 30 Sep 2013, 17:59:38 UTC - in response to Message 1422524.  

If they fail to reach an agreement by midnight (04:00 GMT Tuesday), the US government will be forced to close all non-essential federal services. More than 700,000 staff could be sent home on unpaid leave, with no guarantee of back pay once the deadlock is over.

The shutdown would be the first in the US for 17 years.

So it's happened before then?


Yes, the winter of '95-'96. The GOP (Republicans) took a black eye for that one. Soon after that incident we had a fully balanced budget.
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Message 1422545 - Posted: 30 Sep 2013, 18:03:36 UTC - in response to Message 1422541.  

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Message 1422549 - Posted: 30 Sep 2013, 18:08:02 UTC - in response to Message 1422439.  

Fixing it would require ending the dollar bonanza now enjoyed by doctors, insurance companies, HMO's, Hospital Cartels, equipment manufacturers and suppliers,and big Pharmacy.

DING!!

I know I am not unique, thanks for the chance to rant. (^;

One personal experience. After two different surgeries, years apart, I had to ware a sling. The first sling was $40US. of which I kept, the second sling was $88US. I brought the first sling in for the second surgery and was told I had no choice and had to pay [insurance paid it]. On confronting the Surgeon and insurance company I was told this how the system works. I found the same sling online for $15US. It boggles the mind.


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