ALERT NEW NPR Confirms INTELLIGENT DESIGN in Interview

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Faith is anti-science?

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

The best evidence/argument for intelligent design is that, because biological sytems look complex, they must have been designed. Therefore, Darwin and the other 30,000 or so evolutionary biologists are wrong. ID postulates design, but does not provide evidence that they shows different species were designed. You may as well postulate that life started yesterday at 8am EST, with everything and everyone designed, including all the preprogrammed memories to convince us that we were born 53 years ago (or however old you are now!). This is just as good as, and as unprovable as, ID. ID provides no evidence that systems are, in fact designed rather than resulting from long term evolutionary pressure exerted on the underlying DNA sequence.
Show us the proof....

Not true, and you know it....

“God has given us more than fourteen billion cells and connections in our brain. Why would God give us such a complex organ system unless he expects us to use it?”
~ Dr. Benjamin Carson (world-renowned pediatric neurosurgeon)


You offer an opinion by a neurosurgeon. His opinion is not evidence or proof for design. It poses a question which assumes that god created all this stuff. Show me the evidence that life was designed. And those complex philosophical circular arguments by Dembski are not proof...


Designed

By the numbers...

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ALERT NEW NPR Confirms INTELLIGENT DESIGN in Interview

No it doesn't.

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Mother Nature is the 1 and only Designer.

Now prove me wrong.

Cheers.

ALERT NEW NPR Confirms INTELLIGENT DESIGN in Interview

No it doesn't.

THAT is EXACTLY what THEY said.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Mother Nature is the 1 and only Designer.

Now prove me wrong.

Cheers.

Nature is designed, and not by chance. The odds for chance are longer then the Universe has had life, and then some.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Mother Nature is the 1 and only Designer.

Now prove me wrong.

Cheers.

Nature is designed, and not by chance. The odds for chance are longer then the Universe has had life, and then some.

And where is your proof?

Cheers.

Mother Nature is the 1 and only Designer.

Now prove me wrong.

Cheers.

Nature is designed, and not by chance. The odds for chance are longer then the Universe has had life, and then some.

And where is your proof?

Cheers.

As you wish... I will not be bantering with you on this subject. It is NOT debatable. The link is clear, concise, and irrefutable.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Mother Nature is the 1 and only Designer.

Now prove me wrong.

Cheers.

Nature is designed, and not by chance. The odds for chance are longer then the Universe has had life, and then some.

And where is your proof?

Cheers.

As you wish... I will not be bantering with you on this subject. It is NOT debatable. The link is clear, concise, and irrefutable.

That's no where even close to proof (again more of the same extreme religious stuff as you usual post) and you are extremely selective on what you want to debate it seems which shows most of us just how extremely closed your mind really is.

To me, this is how you come across,
Facts = Belief
Truth = Belief
Faith = Belief (partially correct)
Science = Belief
but "your" belief just isn't good enough to cut it with me sorry.

Cheers.

Mother Nature is the 1 and only Designer.

Now prove me wrong.

Cheers.

Nature is designed, and not by chance. The odds for chance are longer then the Universe has had life, and then some.

And where is your proof?

Cheers.

As you wish... I will not be bantering with you on this subject. It is NOT debatable. The link is clear, concise, and irrefutable.

That's no where even close to proof (again more of the same extreme religious stuff as you usual post) and you are extremely selective on what you want to debate it seems which shows most of us just how extremely closed your mind really is.

To me, this is how you come across,
Facts = Belief
Truth = Belief
Faith = Belief (partially correct)
Science = Belief
but "your" belief just isn't good enough to cut it with me sorry.

Cheers.

You know, I was once told by a woman God hasn't created anything cold hearted. I reminded her of math and red heads, both cold hearted. "your" belief that the math isn't correct just isn't good enough to cut it with me, sorry.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

I really have feel sorry about extremist people like you as you all never want to present proper scientific facts except for those from your extreme leftist views (personally I won't accept those from extreme rightist views either) so how about proving it from somewhere down the centerline instead (it would make you seem more creditable) and none of you even seem to just enjoy life.

Maybe if you took more time to think about how to present your next case before you actually posted you'd get further, but I doubt it.

Now I'll go and have another couple of beers now while thinking great thoughts instead of garbage. ;-)

Cheers.

The title of this thread is meaningless.

A more appropriate title would be "Is there any evidence/argument for intelligent design?".

The answer is obviously NO, NONE, NADA, ZERO, NIL...

I agree 100% there.

Cheers.

The title of this thread is meaningless.

A more appropriate title would be "Is there any evidence/argument for intelligent design?".

The answer is obviously NO, NONE, NADA, ZERO, NIL...

I agree 100% there.

Cheers.

me too.

You'll get no argument from me there Chris. ;-)

But I can't understand why a person like that would even sign up here to start with, more so when you read their profile page.

You'd think that a person would have to be fairly open minded to want to partake in this project (unless they had alternative undermining motives).

Cheers.

Mother Nature is the 1 and only Designer.

Now prove me wrong.

Cheers.

Nature is designed, and not by chance. The odds for chance are longer then the Universe has had life, and then some.

And where is your proof?

Cheers.

As you wish... I will not be bantering with you on this subject. It is NOT debatable. The link is clear, concise, and irrefutable.

Your Hydraulic Engineer does not understand probability:

Astro-physicists estimate that there are no more than 10⁸⁰ infinitesimal "particles" in the universe, and that the age of the universe in its present form is no greater than 10¹⁸ seconds (30 billion years). Assuming each particle can participate in a thousand billion (10¹²) different events every second (this is impossibly high, of course), then the greatest number of events that could ever happen (or trials that could ever be made) in all the universe throughout its entire history is only 10⁸⁰ x 10¹⁸ x 10¹², or 10¹¹⁰ (most authorities would make this figure much lower, about 1050). Any event with a probability of less than one chance in 10¹¹⁰, therefore, cannot occur. Its probability becomes zero, at least in our known universe.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Your Hydraulic Engineer does not understand probability:

Astro-physicists estimate that there are no more than 10⁸⁰ infinitesimal "particles" in the universe, and that the age of the universe in its present form is no greater than 10¹⁸ seconds (30 billion years). Assuming each particle can participate in a thousand billion (10¹²) different events every second (this is impossibly high, of course), then the greatest number of events that could ever happen (or trials that could ever be made) in all the universe throughout its entire history is only 10⁸⁰ x 10¹⁸ x 10¹², or 10¹¹⁰ (most authorities would make this figure much lower, about 1050). Any event with a probability of less than one chance in 10¹¹⁰, therefore, cannot occur. Its probability becomes zero, at least in our known universe.

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He also doesn't understand age all that well. Besides the interaction of particles there is the time before what we who are trapped inside this thing we call a universe happened, for ID call it the time the Thor the designer took to contemplate the design. That is unbounded, so his 10¹⁸ seconds is actually short by infinity. Once you put the correct factor of infinity in his formula you get the correct factor out, which is unity, not zero.

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I'll turn this around for you all.

You all are so ingrained to believe that there is no design. I have shown you all many times the very design. You reject it for your government run indoctrination systems beliefs.

None of you will come out of this mold the system has created for you.

I was once a believer of neo-darwinism. What changed my mind is odds. If something cannot happen within the lifetime of the universe it will not happen. I have clearly seen with my own two designed eyes that none of you have bothered to talk about the math. I posted it and shut you down after that post.

Lets talk about that math shall we? I was overzealous in shutting you down on this, my apologies.....

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

You have only thrown a few abstract statistical arguments around, you have not used mathematics to show anything other than you being able to quote what someone else has suggested.

Fact - a probability of 1 in 10¹⁰⁰ may occur at any time in the future, and may have occurred at any time in the past. By your reasoning the "coin flip", with a perfectly balanced coin, flipped in a perfectly random manner would always alternate between "heads" and "tails", but as anyone who has ever done the experiment knowns, it may fall 99 time out of 100 "heads", and on the 100th flip land on its edge, as was demonstrated by one of my stats lecturers, much this his embarrassment and our amusement.

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

You have only thrown a few abstract statistical arguments around, you have not used mathematics to show anything other than you being able to quote what someone else has suggested.

Fact - a probability of 1 in 10¹⁰⁰ may occur at any time in the future, and may have occurred at any time in the past. By your reasoning the "coin flip", with a perfectly balanced coin, flipped in a perfectly random manner would always alternate between "heads" and "tails", but as anyone who has ever done the experiment knowns, it may fall 99 time out of 100 "heads", and on the 100th flip land on its edge, as was demonstrated by one of my stats lecturers, much this his embarrassment and our amusement.

You did not read the links I have provided.

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