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Message 1415189 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 17:32:52 UTC
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to quite easily shut this down
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William Albert "Bill" Dembski (born July 18, 1960) is an American philosopher and theologian. He is a proponent of intelligent design, specifically the concept of specified complexity. He is currently the Philip E. Johnson Research Professor in Culture & Science at the Southern Evangelical Seminary at Matthews, North Carolina, and a senior fellow of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture. He is the author of a number of books about intelligent design, including The Design Inference (1998), Intelligent Design: The Bridge between Science and Theology (1999), The Design Revolution (2004), The End of Christianity (2009), and Intelligent Design Uncensored (2010).



Soooo lets talk science. He's not a scientist nor could any of his degrees be considered science related. How exactly is he qualified to make any comment on Science?\

Sadly there isn't a garbage science forum. This would fit nicely in it.
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Message 1415211 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 18:37:22 UTC

I think not. This is a science forum. What you present is some philospohical claptrap that does circular reasoning to an Nth degree.

Once again you present religous and not scientific evidence as science. You then boldy go where no man has gone before and crossed the physics/biology science line. I feel special. I really do. reading this nonsense is like watching a bad movie. You paid your money and you'll be d@mned if you don't watch that trainwreck until the end.
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Message 1415232 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 19:11:11 UTC

If by flame you mean that my intent is to expose the absolutely unprovable as bas science then so be it. Perhaps understanding science would help you understand everyone else here.
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Message 1415241 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 19:21:46 UTC - in response to Message 1415234.

If by flame you mean that my intent is to expose the absolutely unprovable as bas science then so be it. Perhaps understanding science would help you understand everyone else here.


As I have already proven; I have corrected you at your science already. Don't you remember your blind faith that I corrected for you? You just really shouldn't have gone there.....

Self-edit, adjust your attitude.

I think we have a problem with your definition of Proven. I use it to say that a person is guilty of a crime or that I didn't eat the last cookie. I don't use it to tell people that the only plausible explanation is God did it. I repeat what I said on your other thread. It must be nice to know exactly what God's will is. Can I get his phone number? I have a few questions answered myself
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Message 1415245 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 19:29:41 UTC

ID & Skildude:
One thread has been locked in the last few minutes because it degenerated into a flame war. Stop now, or this one will go the same way.
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Message 1415262 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 19:53:36 UTC

I think the problem most of us have is that ID has a different idea of what science is than most all of us and that includes scientists. He has his own thoughts and those who work with it have others. It is hard to have a conversation when you speak different languages.
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Message 1415267 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 20:12:10 UTC - in response to Message 1415265.

Communication is not what you say it is what others hear. In these forums those who are working scientists respond to you as though you are speaking nonsense.
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Message 1415268 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 20:13:56 UTC
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This subject should not be here on a board discussing science.

United States District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania
Argued September 26, 2005-November 4, 2005,
Decided December 20, 2005
Full case name: Tammy Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School District, et al.

Citations: 400 F. Supp. 2d 707 (M.D. Pa. 2005)

Holding
Teaching intelligent design in public school biology classes violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States (and Article I, Section 3 of the Pennsylvania State Constitution) because intelligent design is not science and "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents."
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Message 1415271 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 20:17:16 UTC - in response to Message 1415268.

This subject should not be here on a board discussing science.

United States District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania
Argued September 26, 2005-November 4, 2005,
Decided December 20, 2005
Full case name: Tammy Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School District, et al.

Citations: 400 F. Supp. 2d 707 (M.D. Pa. 2005)

Holding
Teaching intelligent design in public school biology classes violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States (and Article I, Section 3 of the Pennsylvania State Constitution) because intelligent design is not science and "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents."
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John E. Jones III
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U.S. Const. Amend. 1; Penn. Const. Art. I, § 3

Just to make it even clearer, the Judge on this case is and was a conservative and a devout catholic and a firm believer in creationism. Thats a judge that saw the evidence and was convinced that ID is not science and is a religious belief.

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Message 1415277 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 20:26:49 UTC - in response to Message 1415272.

This subject should not be here on a board discussing science.

United States District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania
Argued September 26, 2005-November 4, 2005,
Decided December 20, 2005
Full case name: Tammy Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School District, et al.

Citations: 400 F. Supp. 2d 707 (M.D. Pa. 2005)

Holding
Teaching intelligent design in public school biology classes violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States (and Article I, Section 3 of the Pennsylvania State Constitution) because intelligent design is not science and "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents."
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John E. Jones III
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U.S. Const. Amend. 1; Penn. Const. Art. I, § 3


No, any school has the right to teach what it wants. They are owned and operated by the public, not the law or government, the tax payer owns them?

Are you saying this is a public school? If so then no one has the right to take my free speeh away, as has been done here.

I beg to differ, under no circumstances do I want my tax dollars pay for a religion. Why should I subsidize something which may be trying to harm me?
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Message 1415278 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 20:27:28 UTC - in response to Message 1415272.
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This subject should not be here on a board discussing science.

United States District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania
Argued September 26, 2005-November 4, 2005,
Decided December 20, 2005
Full case name: Tammy Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School District, et al.

Citations: 400 F. Supp. 2d 707 (M.D. Pa. 2005)

Holding
Teaching intelligent design in public school biology classes violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States (and Article I, Section 3 of the Pennsylvania State Constitution) because intelligent design is not science and "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents."
Court membership
John E. Jones III
Laws applied
U.S. Const. Amend. 1; Penn. Const. Art. I, § 3


No, any school has the right to teach what it wants. They are owned and operated by the public, not the law or government, the tax payer owns them?

Are you saying this is a public school? If so then no one has the right to take my free speeh away, as has been done here.

owned by the public and must follow federal law. yes its a public school. Dover, Pennsylvania school district was loaded with bible thumpers that took it upon themselves to declare ID science. Thus the lawsuit.
you have no free speech here. You have to follow rules set by UC berkeley and the admins of the website to keep a modicum of order and prevent all out chaos which typically happens when you leave a forums to run without any rules.

and please stay on topic
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