scary....

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+3 (hurts my eyes too...)

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I talked to the manager about installing screws in the outside wall to secure the wood panels to the wooden wall studs and She said She'd have to talk with the owner, since the moths are coming out of the walls in the kitchen now instead of in the bedroom area and that I can hear 2-3 nails a night go pop.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

We think the moths got him in the end!

Witch end?
(snick)

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My victory is complete... Still no moths...

Okaaayyy

That was in the areas I'd worked on.

since the moths are coming out of the walls in the kitchen now instead of in the bedroom area

Riiiight

So you think I'm lying?

I can hear 2-3 nails a night go pop.

Ooooh we haz strong moths ....

Uncle Chris?
Yes young'un?
Are you very old?
Oh yes, I lived through the great Moth invasion of '13
Wow, that was over 20 years ago now!
Yup, sure was, but us survivors still meet each year.
What happened to Vic?
We think the moths got him in the end!

The nails have been backing out and making popping sounds since 2007. Maybe something should be ended, here and elsewhere...

As this is not something I'd joke about...

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

The nails have been backing out and making popping sounds since 2007. Maybe something should be ended, here and elsewhere...

DEM Earthquakes will Do Dat. Ones Dat Don't register with a hooman, register wif Nails and Moths.

A 26 year old Trailer in EarthQuake Country. Any Poppin' and Backin' Off can be attributed to Mucho Earthly Tremorin'

Don't cha tink?

I liv in a house 58 year old. Gots 1000s of Crawlers, Jumpers and Flyers livin' La Vida LOca wid me and me Kit Kats. And LOts 'O Backin' Out and Poppin' Out. Can't says I hear 'em tho. Must be my Old Ears.

Sweetness.

fO shO

Corn 'it'

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Ending a thread that isn't mine isn't possible, besides Corn Hulio would just start one up again, but then He likes to make light of Me, 35-40 years ago, I would have beaten the crap out of Him, today forget it, He's not worth squat...

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Ending a thread that isn't mine isn't possible, besides Corn Hulio would just start one up again, but then He likes to make light of Me, 35-40 years ago, I would have beaten the crap out of Him, today forget it, He's not worth squat...

I just put him on my "Ignore" list... Perhaps, (if not done so already), you should do the same.

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VBobier said:

besides Corn Hulio would just start one up again, but then He likes to make light of Me, 35-40 years ago, I would have beaten the crap out of Him, today forget it, He's not worth squat...

Yesterdays 35-40+++ Years Ago, I Twern't Woth Squat Then.

TimeLord Said: I just put him on my "Ignore" list... Perhaps, (if not done so already), you should do the same.

Can I Create Another Account and Put Myself On Ignore?

Getting Back To Bugs:

I Gots 100s if not 1000s of These Lovelies in my house.


Corn 'it'

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

My victory is complete... Still no moths...

Okaaayyy

That was in the areas I'd worked on.

since the moths are coming out of the walls in the kitchen now instead of in the bedroom area

Riiiight

So you think I'm lying?

I can hear 2-3 nails a night go pop.

Ooooh we haz strong moths ....

Uncle Chris?
Yes young'un?
Are you very old?
Oh yes, I lived through the great Moth invasion of '13
Wow, that was over 20 years ago now!
Yup, sure was, but us survivors still meet each year.
What happened to Vic?
We think the moths got him in the end!

The nails have been backing out and making popping sounds since 2007. Maybe something should be ended, here and elsewhere...

As this is not something I'd joke about...

When nails back out you hit them back in. Even you could do that.
I told you you had a infestation. You scorned me. How long have you battled the moths? Just in this thread its been since the 12 of September. I aslo told you you needed to make the outside secure first.That how the adults are getting in.

The way your going, Your going to caulk that place so tight your going to suffacate. And another thing you only rent that place right? If I was your landlord and I saw all that stinking caulk all over the woodwork youd be looking for another place to live.

Maybe its time you called an exterminator.

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Old James

My victory is complete... Still no moths...

Okaaayyy

That was in the areas I'd worked on.

since the moths are coming out of the walls in the kitchen now instead of in the bedroom area

Riiiight

So you think I'm lying?

I can hear 2-3 nails a night go pop.

Ooooh we haz strong moths ....

Uncle Chris?
Yes young'un?
Are you very old?
Oh yes, I lived through the great Moth invasion of '13
Wow, that was over 20 years ago now!
Yup, sure was, but us survivors still meet each year.
What happened to Vic?
We think the moths got him in the end!

The nails have been backing out and making popping sounds since 2007. Maybe something should be ended, here and elsewhere...

As this is not something I'd joke about...

When nails back out you hit them back in. Even you could do that.
I told you you had a infestation. You scorned me. How long have you battled the moths? Just in this thread its been since the 12 of September. I aslo told you you needed to make the outside secure first.That how the adults are getting in.

The way your going, Your going to caulk that place so tight your going to suffacate. And another thing you only rent that place right? If I was your landlord and I saw all that stinking caulk all over the woodwork youd be looking for another place to live.

Maybe its time you called an exterminator.

The manager would have done the caulking, but She was busy getting other empty places ready to rent, in any case I don't have the screws, a tall & strong enough ladder, nor the bits to do the work, except for the area with concrete, any ladder I step on will sink into the soil and gravel, so what could I do, I did ask the manager months ago when the place was under different ownership, the manager said NO, they said they would not do the work, since the old owner would only spend $100.00 a month on maintenance for the whole park(that's what I was told), the new owner is new at owning a park, so now you know why I caulked instead of doing what you suggested, I had no other choice that I could afford open to Me James, I would have loved to not have done the work that I did, I know I or someone will have to start near the top where the gap is really narrow and move down the panel, 1st one row, then another and another, until I or someone else is done with the panel, then repeat on the next panel and the next, until all the panels are done on the West side, the East side is not nearly as bad and the North and South have no problems with nails at all, the nails are about 4-6" apart and the nails are backing out almost to the top, mainly cause of the west wind and the gusts We get here(gusts have been as high as 75mph here), the mobile home wasn't like this in 2006...

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

My victory is complete... Still no moths...

Okaaayyy

That was in the areas I'd worked on.

since the moths are coming out of the walls in the kitchen now instead of in the bedroom area

Riiiight

So you think I'm lying?

I can hear 2-3 nails a night go pop.

Ooooh we haz strong moths ....

Uncle Chris?
Yes young'un?
Are you very old?
Oh yes, I lived through the great Moth invasion of '13
Wow, that was over 20 years ago now!
Yup, sure was, but us survivors still meet each year.
What happened to Vic?
We think the moths got him in the end!

The nails have been backing out and making popping sounds since 2007. Maybe something should be ended, here and elsewhere...

As this is not something I'd joke about...

When nails back out you hit them back in. Even you could do that.
I told you you had a infestation. You scorned me. How long have you battled the moths? Just in this thread its been since the 12 of September. I aslo told you you needed to make the outside secure first.That how the adults are getting in.

The way your going, Your going to caulk that place so tight your going to suffacate. And another thing you only rent that place right? If I was your landlord and I saw all that stinking caulk all over the woodwork youd be looking for another place to live.

Maybe its time you called an exterminator.

The manager would have done the caulking, but She was busy getting other empty places ready to rent, in any case I don't have the screws, a tall & strong enough ladder, nor the bits to do the work, except for the area with concrete, any ladder I step on will sink into the soil and gravel, so what could I do, I did ask the manager months ago when the place was under different ownership, the manager said NO, they said they would not do the work, since the old owner would only spend $100.00 a month on maintenance for the whole park(that's what I was told), the new owner is new at owning a park, so now you know why I caulked instead of doing what you suggested, I had no other choice that I could afford open to Me James, I would have loved to not have done the work that I did, I know I or someone will have to start near the top where the gap is really narrow and move down the panel, 1st one row, then another and another, until I or someone else is done with the panel, then repeat on the next panel and the next, until all the panels are done on the West side, the East side is not nearly as bad and the North and South have no problems with nails at all, the nails are about 4-6" apart and the nails are backing out almost to the top, mainly cause of the west wind and the gusts We get here(gusts have been as high as 75mph here), the mobile home wasn't like this in 2006...

The ladder sinking into the soil sounds like an excuse to me.Of course it will, Unless you live in quick sand it only goes so deep then stops. And its only inches. Are you afraid of hieghts? So what, So am I. But I dont let my house be open to the elements or bugs.

Ive found that screws even the galvanized ones break off at the head over the years.( and if after a few years you want to unscrew one they mostly break off any way.) Use twist nails. They should be cheaper than screws to.

Vic im not trying to twist your nickers. But landlords do have certaine responsilitys that they must also live up to. Maintenace is one.

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Old James

My victory is complete... Still no moths...

Okaaayyy

That was in the areas I'd worked on.

since the moths are coming out of the walls in the kitchen now instead of in the bedroom area

Riiiight

So you think I'm lying?

I can hear 2-3 nails a night go pop.

Ooooh we haz strong moths ....

Uncle Chris?
Yes young'un?
Are you very old?
Oh yes, I lived through the great Moth invasion of '13
Wow, that was over 20 years ago now!
Yup, sure was, but us survivors still meet each year.
What happened to Vic?
We think the moths got him in the end!

The nails have been backing out and making popping sounds since 2007. Maybe something should be ended, here and elsewhere...

As this is not something I'd joke about...

When nails back out you hit them back in. Even you could do that.
I told you you had a infestation. You scorned me. How long have you battled the moths? Just in this thread its been since the 12 of September. I aslo told you you needed to make the outside secure first.That how the adults are getting in.

The way your going, Your going to caulk that place so tight your going to suffacate. And another thing you only rent that place right? If I was your landlord and I saw all that stinking caulk all over the woodwork youd be looking for another place to live.

Maybe its time you called an exterminator.

The manager would have done the caulking, but She was busy getting other empty places ready to rent, in any case I don't have the screws, a tall & strong enough ladder, nor the bits to do the work, except for the area with concrete, any ladder I step on will sink into the soil and gravel, so what could I do, I did ask the manager months ago when the place was under different ownership, the manager said NO, they said they would not do the work, since the old owner would only spend $100.00 a month on maintenance for the whole park(that's what I was told), the new owner is new at owning a park, so now you know why I caulked instead of doing what you suggested, I had no other choice that I could afford open to Me James, I would have loved to not have done the work that I did, I know I or someone will have to start near the top where the gap is really narrow and move down the panel, 1st one row, then another and another, until I or someone else is done with the panel, then repeat on the next panel and the next, until all the panels are done on the West side, the East side is not nearly as bad and the North and South have no problems with nails at all, the nails are about 4-6" apart and the nails are backing out almost to the top, mainly cause of the west wind and the gusts We get here(gusts have been as high as 75mph here), the mobile home wasn't like this in 2006...

The ladder sinking into the soil sounds like an excuse to me.Of course it will, Unless you live in quick sand it only goes so deep then stops. And its only inches. Are you afraid of hieghts? So what, So am I. But I dont let my house be open to the elements or bugs.

Ive found that screws even the galvanized ones break off at the head over the years.( and if after a few years you want to unscrew one they mostly break off any way.) Use twist nails. They should be cheaper than screws to.

Vic im not trying to twist your nickers. But landlords do have certaine responsilitys that they must also live up to. Maintenace is one.

No I'm not afraid of heights, I weigh 415lbs, that sinking is My experience and the soil here is sand. Twist nails, interesting, though I'm not good at nailing, maybe I need the right hammer? Since some have bent and I miss a fair amount, unless the nail is short, then I'm not bad, I'm not a carpenter. The last owner controlled the park by withholding money, all purchases and/or work had to be approved by the owner. Sounds crazy, but that's the way the guy ran the place, a Canadian friend of Mine here(long story) maintains His swamp cooler, as I have done for years, once the old owner ran an ad for the mobilehome next door(that is empty now and in need of repairs, it has a broken window, plus broken central a/c, there are 3 or 4 window a/c units in that place) that showed a picture of a mobilehome that never existed in this park, a guy in the Army and His wife answered that ad and eventually He was able to leave by getting transferred, that ad made a good competent manager that had been here since 2004 leave a few years ago to manage a park in Barstow CA near Walmart, He took close to half of the tenants in the park at the time with Him.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

My victory is complete... Still no moths...

Okaaayyy

That was in the areas I'd worked on.

since the moths are coming out of the walls in the kitchen now instead of in the bedroom area

Riiiight

So you think I'm lying?

I can hear 2-3 nails a night go pop.

Ooooh we haz strong moths ....

Uncle Chris?
Yes young'un?
Are you very old?
Oh yes, I lived through the great Moth invasion of '13
Wow, that was over 20 years ago now!
Yup, sure was, but us survivors still meet each year.
What happened to Vic?
We think the moths got him in the end!

The nails have been backing out and making popping sounds since 2007. Maybe something should be ended, here and elsewhere...

As this is not something I'd joke about...

When nails back out you hit them back in. Even you could do that.
I told you you had a infestation. You scorned me. How long have you battled the moths? Just in this thread its been since the 12 of September. I aslo told you you needed to make the outside secure first.That how the adults are getting in.

The way your going, Your going to caulk that place so tight your going to suffacate. And another thing you only rent that place right? If I was your landlord and I saw all that stinking caulk all over the woodwork youd be looking for another place to live.

Maybe its time you called an exterminator.

The manager would have done the caulking, but She was busy getting other empty places ready to rent, in any case I don't have the screws, a tall & strong enough ladder, nor the bits to do the work, except for the area with concrete, any ladder I step on will sink into the soil and gravel, so what could I do, I did ask the manager months ago when the place was under different ownership, the manager said NO, they said they would not do the work, since the old owner would only spend $100.00 a month on maintenance for the whole park(that's what I was told), the new owner is new at owning a park, so now you know why I caulked instead of doing what you suggested, I had no other choice that I could afford open to Me James, I would have loved to not have done the work that I did, I know I or someone will have to start near the top where the gap is really narrow and move down the panel, 1st one row, then another and another, until I or someone else is done with the panel, then repeat on the next panel and the next, until all the panels are done on the West side, the East side is not nearly as bad and the North and South have no problems with nails at all, the nails are about 4-6" apart and the nails are backing out almost to the top, mainly cause of the west wind and the gusts We get here(gusts have been as high as 75mph here), the mobile home wasn't like this in 2006...

The ladder sinking into the soil sounds like an excuse to me.Of course it will, Unless you live in quick sand it only goes so deep then stops. And its only inches. Are you afraid of hieghts? So what, So am I. But I dont let my house be open to the elements or bugs.

Ive found that screws even the galvanized ones break off at the head over the years.( and if after a few years you want to unscrew one they mostly break off any way.) Use twist nails. They should be cheaper than screws to.

Vic im not trying to twist your nickers. But landlords do have certaine responsilitys that they must also live up to. Maintenace is one.

No I'm not afraid of heights, I weigh 415lbs, that sinking is My experience and the soil here is sand. Twist nails, interesting, though I'm not good at nailing, maybe I need the right hammer? Since some have bent and I miss a fair amount, unless the nail is short, then I'm not bad, I'm not a carpenter. The last owner controlled the park by withholding money, all purchases and/or work had to be approved by the owner. Sounds crazy, but that's the way the guy ran the place, a Canadian friend of Mine here(long story) maintains His swamp cooler, as I have done for years, once the old owner ran an ad for the mobilehome next door(that is empty now and in need of repairs, it has a broken window, plus broken central a/c, there are 3 or 4 window a/c units in that place) that showed a picture of a mobilehome that never existed in this park, a guy in the Army and His wife answered that ad and eventually He was able to leave by getting transferred, that ad made a good competent manager that had been here since 2004 leave a few years ago to manage a park in Barstow CA near Walmart, He took close to half of tenants in the park at the time.

It seems like your past manager was a sleaze bag. Why you all living in the park ddint take his ass to court is the question. Didnt you have a lease that spelled out all the legal BS.
I live in a mobile home park. I own a double wide trailer. I have a yearly lease that spells out what I have to do and what the owners have to do. I take care of my part and they take care of their part. Ive been here 23 years.

Vic, Other people can only take advantage of you when you allow it. Maybe you should look into California laws about renting. You might have been taken advantaged of all these years with out knowing it.

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Old James

Chris S aka The Sage Said:

I will be the first to admit here that I have been ribbing Vic quite a bit about this moth business, to the extent that he has got a bit shirty about it. I was trying to point out to him nicely, and in hopefully a humourous way, that he has been going a bit OTT about it all with his continuing detailed technical daily updates. I think he has got the message now.

Firstly it is good advice not to make a home totally airtight, for all sorts of reasons, some medical. But is is clear from what he says that the whole place is infested, and it sounds like there must be nests inside all the walls. I don't know how American trailer homes are constructed, but probably on a timber studwork frame, and clad internally and externally with panels. If so that is why they are coming through the walls.

Running around caulking the place every time a moth is seen somewhere is akin to trying to touch up the Golden Gate bridge with a 1/2" paintbrush every time a little rust patch is found! It is perfectly clear to me that the only way forward here is for Vic and the cat to move out for a couple of days while the whole place is professionally fumigated. But there are two problems with that. Firstly where would he go, and secondly who is going to pay for it. It sounds like the park may have an empty trailer that he could borrow for a couple of nights. He can negotiate with the owners over the costs of the fumigating involved. He could point out that this infestation could spread to other trailers that might cost the owner some more money. I really see little point in continuing on as he has been doing.

As an aside he suddenly decided to add in loose nails on the exterior panels to the story, that is maybe how they are getting in, I don't know. But it would make more sense to me to seal the outside first to contain the problem, and then work outwards from the inside to eradicate it. Vic must learn that no-one is getting at him, or being unkind, or in any way nasty. It is simply when we see someone running around in circles and getting nowhere, it is an act of kindness to point this out. We all know he has weight and health issues, doesn't manage his finances very well, and by his own admission suffers from anxiety problems. All the more reason I would have thought to be grateful for well meant advice, and not take it in the wrong way.

Get Rid of the Moths through Sealing and End Up with Condensation Problems within the walls. Need Dat AirFlow.

Corn 'it'

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Chris I do manage My finances very well, what you said, you have no idea what you are talking about.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

bump...

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Well I can report that all My efforts to stop the clothes moth invasion have succeeded, plus right now I don't need the heater on, it's 54F outside and 74F inside as I type this. Oh sure I need to buy another pair of tubes, but then one section that I'd worked on didn't have enough so it needs recaulking due to shrinkage(that section is covered in masking tape for the moment), the other tube is so that I can completely weatherize the bathrooms some more, then I'll only have the kitchen and front room to do and then I'll be done, the small bedroom being closed off, doesn't need anything done there. All this will make the window a/c work better when I get that.

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A new insect (for me) in my backyard. It looks quite fierce
with the pointy thing on its back. I looked it up. It's a
Wheel Bug. Here's a page about it:

http://www.insectidentification.org/insect-description.asp?identification=Wheel-Bug

Their photo is much better than mine. Here's mine:



And another:



Used my iPhone camera. I figured it would probably leave
before I could grab and set up my real camera.

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~Sue~

That is a beautiful insect, Suzie-Q.