Monty Hall problem

Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Monty Hall problem

To post messages, you must log in.

AuthorMessage
Profile Chris SCrowdfunding Project Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 19 Nov 00
Posts: 38181
Credit: 21,347,253
RAC: 27,701
United Kingdom
Message 1414605 - Posted: 12 Sep 2013, 11:28:42 UTC

Do you understand the Monty Hall problem? And Simpson's Paradox?

Problem + paradox

ID: 1414605 · Report as offensive
Profile William Rothamel
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Oct 06
Posts: 3226
Credit: 1,265,297
RAC: 313
United States
Message 1414651 - Posted: 12 Sep 2013, 15:32:24 UTC - in response to Message 1414605.  

Yes I understand it perfectly. You can too by solving a larger problem of 100 doors all of which are opened except your pick and one other. Conversely you could play the game with someone a few dozen times and you would see the result tending to 2/3 wins if you switch.

ID: 1414651 · Report as offensive
Profile ignorance is no excuse
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 4 Oct 00
Posts: 9529
Credit: 44,433,321
RAC: 0
Korea, North
Message 1414686 - Posted: 12 Sep 2013, 16:50:02 UTC - in response to Message 1414651.  

I didn't understand it until the Mythbusters ran a double blind test where one set was always to switch choices the other was to stand pat over 100 choices.

the results were very impressive.


In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

End terrorism by building a school

ID: 1414686 · Report as offensive
Profile cov_route
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 13 Sep 12
Posts: 342
Credit: 10,267,170
RAC: 851
Canada
Message 1414700 - Posted: 12 Sep 2013, 17:24:29 UTC

The thing to realize is that the box (or door) that gets opened is not chosen at random. It is always one that is *not* the prize, so the choice provides you with information.

1/3 of the time you will have chosen the prize door. So switching will give you a fail.

2/3 of the time you will not have chosen the prize door. In this case switching will *always* give you the prize.

So if you switch, 2/3 of the time you will get the prize.

ID: 1414700 · Report as offensive
Nick
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 11 Oct 11
Posts: 4344
Credit: 2,620,501
RAC: 562
United Kingdom
Message 1414702 - Posted: 12 Sep 2013, 17:26:05 UTC
Last modified: 12 Sep 2013, 18:03:11 UTC

When you chose one box you had a one third chance of picking the winner.
Conversely, two thirds of a chance of being wrong. Remove one of the known
remaining box's that is a looser and you then switch your choice over to that
other remaining box means now you have a two thirds chance of picking the
winning box. Sticking on your first choice means you had initially a 1 in 3
chance of picking the winner and still now only have that 1 in 3 chance.
The catch in this exercise is caused by exposing one of the empty box's after
you have made your choice, you think you now have a chance of being 50% right
with your initial choice of box you made. Nope, so switch for the other box
has a 2 in 3 chance of being the winner.


The Kite Fliers

--------------------
Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

ID: 1414702 · Report as offensive
Profile Julie
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 28 Oct 09
Posts: 33251
Credit: 9,020,314
RAC: 8,958
Belgium
Message 1415016 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 10:42:21 UTC

And then you have Murphy's Law that says you'd probably choose the wrong door...;)



rOZZ
MUSIC

ID: 1415016 · Report as offensive
Nick
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 11 Oct 11
Posts: 4344
Credit: 2,620,501
RAC: 562
United Kingdom
Message 1415149 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 16:25:32 UTC - in response to Message 1415016.  
Last modified: 13 Sep 2013, 16:47:06 UTC

And then you have Murphy's Law that says you'd probably choose the wrong door...;)

Yes, but only once in three though of choosing the wrong one. If you carried out
this box exercise in a slightly different way then you'd see why you should
always change your initial choice of selected box.

Choose a box, then your given the choice now of opening that box or opening
the other two remaining box's in stead. Clearly you would take the offer of
switching to the remaining two box's cos' you can clearly see the odds of 2 in 3
in your favour of having the winning box.
The Kite Fliers

--------------------
Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

ID: 1415149 · Report as offensive
Profile cov_route
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 13 Sep 12
Posts: 342
Credit: 10,267,170
RAC: 851
Canada
Message 1415165 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 16:53:55 UTC

Here's a site that has a game that lets you try out the two strategies, see for yourself:

http://betterexplained.com/articles/understanding-the-monty-hall-problem/

ID: 1415165 · Report as offensive
Profile James SotherdenProject Donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 16 May 99
Posts: 10133
Credit: 65,786,694
RAC: 37,481
United States
Message 1415514 - Posted: 14 Sep 2013, 7:26:07 UTC - in response to Message 1415165.  

Here's a site that has a game that lets you try out the two strategies, see for yourself:

http://betterexplained.com/articles/understanding-the-monty-hall-problem/

That is a great site. i played the game and was convinced that it pays big time to switch doors.
[/quote]

Old James

ID: 1415514 · Report as offensive

Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Monty Hall problem


 
©2016 University of California
 
SETI@home and Astropulse are funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, NASA, and donations from SETI@home volunteers. AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956.