The rule for baiting is clear, no gray as said here. It is ignored for people who have been here the longest and even encouraged by the law keepers/moderators and is only done so and used when one of the old timers have had their lunch taken from them by a newer person here like myself.

Can you please quote the rule about baiting? And if you're going to post the one about no deliberately hostile or insulting posts, you should really take a look at more than a few of your own. "Deliberately hostile and insulting" seems to be based upon perspective, yet you seem to think anyone that disagrees with you is deliberately hostile and/or insulting.

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If the old timers have lost the debate, they have the whole debate removed, regardless of someones first amendment rights. An avatar is sent in in some cases, someone here with more than one account and that avatar along with the winner of the debate are both removed, along with that person entire postings, all his/she postings all over the board, even the ones that have nothing to do with the start of the problem.

You keep going on about lost debates, first amendment rights, and you often proclaim "winning" a debate.

1) It is the viewership/readership that decides the winner - not the debaters. And each viewer might have a different perspective. Boasting that you've "won" a debate might come across as "baiting" us to argue with you more - in other words trolling the entire Politics and Science forums.

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2) Your first amendment rights are only guaranteed in certain scenarios. Your first amendment rights cease as soon as you enter any private establishment. Since the SETI@home forums are privately run by the SETI@home project staff, you are required to follow their rules. If you think otherwise, I dare you to try taking the project to court and have your day before a judge.


It is this attitude of yours that people dislike. This is why this single thread has generated so much discussion about you. There's so much hypocrisy on your behalf that you cannot even begin to see it.

Choice of words, not the ideas. It is like that massive tone of voice changes the narrator does on Dateline, to inject opinion into the copy he is reading. Just like a gospel preacher. Has no part in civil discourse, and its use should be seen as obviously baiting or intending to inflame.

You accuse others of whatever your perceptions of them are without actually getting to know any of the people in these forums. You think that this forum is predominately Atheist, when it is not. You think everyone is against your free speech, when they are not. You've accused me personally of trying to get your posts hidden when I value free speech as much as you do, yet you didn't bother to get to know my opinions first.

You come in here with blanket accusations toward everyone. You play the victim card when you think everyone else isn't playing fair. You taunt and laugh in people's virtual faces during discussions and arguments - but you want them to treat you with dignity and respect. You're old enough to know that respect is a two way street and you've offered none toward anyone here other than those you've aligned yourself with (namely Guy and Darwin's Worm because all three of you have an anti-liberal agenda - which most of us aren't even liberals).


These are things you really need to heed and understand. Take a long look in the mirror first before you fire back with your usual garbage. Stop being a victim and start understanding that everyone here has their own views and opinions. Stop lumping everyone together and playing the victim.

It was old with your first post and now ...

Free speech is getting up on a soapbox in the public square and orating. Do that with what you post here and you are likely to be quickly covered in rotting vegetable matter or worse. That is the price you are supposed to pay for free speech. The modding here takes the right to shout you down away. So you are correct, speech here is not free, and it works in your favor.

Unless you don't believe in a right to be left alone -- government intrusion into all aspects of your life -- it should be obvious that your ideas are not wanted here, pack up and move on.

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Sir's,

Once again I see the pot---s calling this kettle black.

Over the last few months I can count on ONE HAND the number of posts I have red x'ed.

I'm sure the mod's can confirm....

Thank you,
Robert

P.S.
I have NO intent to stop anyone's free speech. This is not true for most of you.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

...and how do you know how many we've red-x'd ? There you go again with false assumptions and implied accusations.

There's no pot calling the kettle black here, but don't let that stop you from using the phrase-ology to make it look like you have a defense in this.

Over the last few months I can count on ONE HAND the number of posts I have red x'ed.

That's still quite a few more than me.

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But do you really want to know the real cruncher is on the "Religious people are less intelligent than atheists" thread that I started, and that your actions caused to be closed.

I'm on your side.

I had a very religious Parent. During final hospital stay visited by three (3) Bishops from the Church of England, and the local bishop conducted a memorial service in the local church on the Sunday after the funeral.

Attended a Religious school for most of my school life.

If that report is true then my Intelligence has suffered.

Sir's,

I'm sure the mod's can confirm....

Stop abusing the apostrophe!

Ho, wrong thread.

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So was one of mine until someone introduced education. It was my reply that got my thread locked. Was that my fault? Did I moan?

I've said it before & I'll say it again. Too many inconsistencies. So do what others have to do. Accept it.

Why should we?

Totally agree, but you'll find we don't have a choice.

What you actually mean is you haven't found a way yet.

That's the problem with the written/spoken word without sight of one's body language. At first glance reading your reply, it seems that you're calling me a baiter looking for a way around the rules....

...still trying to think of any other way to see it atm.

Must admit that was badly put on my part. Apologies.

What I meant to say is, that you haven't yet thought of a way to not accept the inconsistencies.

No, my apolgoies to you WK, I was just trying to point out how one can take a post. There was no way I actually took it that way. Again, sorry I could have also worded it better.

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Too many inconsistencies.

That is the root of the problem. It is fixable.

The question I propose to any of you complaining about inconsistencies is: how many of you bothered to email the Modlist or bring it to Fred's attention? If you want it fixed, you have to let somebody know.

Sorry Oz, many of us beleive in the project and don't want to hassle the staff, after all that's what the moderators are there for. The inconsistencies are to do with them not the project.

There has to be a set list of guidelines for Mods so whenever an issue does arise that cannot be resolved, then it goes to Fred or Wilma, not action taken on their bias or the fact that they have been influenced by other posters.

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Sir's,

I'm sure the mod's can confirm....

Stop abusing the apostrophe!

Ho, wrong thread.

I agree that was funny but other then that........

...nothing.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Too many inconsistencies.

That is the root of the problem. It is fixable.

The question I propose to any of you complaining about inconsistencies is: how many of you bothered to email the Modlist or bring it to Fred's attention? If you want it fixed, you have to let somebody know.

Sorry Oz, many of us beleive in the project and don't want to hassle the staff, after all that's what the moderators are there for. The inconsistencies are to do with them not the project.

There has to be a set list of guidelines for Mods so whenever an issue does arise that cannot be resolved, then it goes to Fred or Wilma, not action taken on their bias or the fact that they have been influenced by other posters.

That why I asked about sending an email to the Modlist. At least then a review of the action can be taken, or perhaps an explanation that may or may not reveal intention or reason.

As a former Mod I can say that very few posters ever complained when a post and or thread was hid.
And the Mods do have guidlines. As a mtter of fact it was two pages long. That was when Fred and Eric decided that PG -13 was going to be the new norm for the forums.

And for those who have never been a mod there is sometimes a lot of infighting on what should be done when it comes to moderation. And Yes we did call upon Fred for answers. And sometimes he had to kick it up to Eric and or Dr A.

Is moderation perfect? No and it never will be. But if you dont voice your concerns to the modlist then it will never get closer to perfect.

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As a former Mod I can say that very few posters ever complained when a post and or thread was hid.
And the Mods do have guidlines. As a mtter of fact it was two pages long. That was when Fred and Eric decided that PG -13 was going to be the new norm for the forums.

And for those who have never been a mod there is sometimes a lot of infighting on what should be done when it comes to moderation. And Yes we did call upon Fred for answers. And sometimes he had to kick it up to Eric and or Dr A.

Is moderation perfect? No and it never will be. But if you dont voice your concerns to the modlist then it will never get closer to perfect.

Yep, in addition if there is any "mod action" on your posts or threads that you want to be reviewed or further explained, give us a shout. It isn't any hassle and it will help us.

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Member of the People Encouraging Niceness In Society club.

I posit that given ID's exhibited lack of interest in distributed computing or in SETI as demonstrated by his RAC and total credits there is a natural conflict with most members of this community. He has little in common with those who are trying to advance science and it shows.

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As a former Mod I can say that very few posters ever complained when a post and or thread was hid.
And the Mods do have guidlines. As a mtter of fact it was two pages long. That was when Fred and Eric decided that PG -13 was going to be the new norm for the forums.

And for those who have never been a mod there is sometimes a lot of infighting on what should be done when it comes to moderation. And Yes we did call upon Fred for answers. And sometimes he had to kick it up to Eric and or Dr A.

Is moderation perfect? No and it never will be. But if you dont voice your concerns to the modlist then it will never get closer to perfect.

Yep, in addition if there is any "mod action" on your posts or threads that you want to be reviewed or further explained, give us a shout. It isn't any hassle and it will help us.

One, only the OP gets the notice from the Mod about locking the thread. The many other posters in the thread have no idea if the OP requested it. Very hard to complain if you have zero information to start from.

Two, too often the mods are not forthcoming in giving a reason for action. But that is a human factor. In the case of WK's thread, until he posted here I assumed he asked for the lock as no explanation was posted by a mod in that thread!

Three, is the not so bright issue to have the mod list be by real e-mail. There are mods who people may never want to know their real e-mail address.

I could go on, but, I'd end up insulting the BOINC developer. I will say ask yourself why some projects don't use the BOINC boards in favor of other open source boards.

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Three, is the not so bright issue to have the mod list be by real e-mail. There are mods who people may never want to know their real e-mail address.

You could always use a throw-away email addy. They don't cost much these days! ;-P

As a former Mod I can say that very few posters ever complained when a post and or thread was hid.
And the Mods do have guidlines. As a mtter of fact it was two pages long. That was when Fred and Eric decided that PG -13 was going to be the new norm for the forums.

And for those who have never been a mod there is sometimes a lot of infighting on what should be done when it comes to moderation. And Yes we did call upon Fred for answers. And sometimes he had to kick it up to Eric and or Dr A.

Is moderation perfect? No and it never will be. But if you dont voice your concerns to the modlist then it will never get closer to perfect.

Yep, in addition if there is any "mod action" on your posts or threads that you want to be reviewed or further explained, give us a shout. It isn't any hassle and it will help us.

One, only the OP gets the notice from the Mod about locking the thread. The many other posters in the thread have no idea if the OP requested it. Very hard to complain if you have zero information to start from.

Two, too often the mods are not forthcoming in giving a reason for action. But that is a human factor. In the case of WK's thread, until he posted here I assumed he asked for the lock as no explanation was posted by a mod in that thread!

Three, is the not so bright issue to have the mod list be by real e-mail. There are mods who people may never want to know their real e-mail address.

I could go on, but, I'd end up insulting the BOINC developer. I will say ask yourself why some projects don't use the BOINC boards in favor of other open source boards.

Well said reader of said thread could allways redX and ask the modlist why a thread was hidden. Hardly anyone ever did though.
Edit- I got enough hate PM's why would I have wanted my real E-mail addy known.

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Old James

As a former Mod I can say that very few posters ever complained when a post and or thread was hid.
And the Mods do have guidlines. As a mtter of fact it was two pages long. That was when Fred and Eric decided that PG -13 was going to be the new norm for the forums.

And for those who have never been a mod there is sometimes a lot of infighting on what should be done when it comes to moderation. And Yes we did call upon Fred for answers. And sometimes he had to kick it up to Eric and or Dr A.

Is moderation perfect? No and it never will be. But if you dont voice your concerns to the modlist then it will never get closer to perfect.

Yep, in addition if there is any "mod action" on your posts or threads that you want to be reviewed or further explained, give us a shout. It isn't any hassle and it will help us.

One, only the OP gets the notice from the Mod about locking the thread. The many other posters in the thread have no idea if the OP requested it. Very hard to complain if you have zero information to start from.

Two, too often the mods are not forthcoming in giving a reason for action. But that is a human factor. In the case of WK's thread, until he posted here I assumed he asked for the lock as no explanation was posted by a mod in that thread!

Three, is the not so bright issue to have the mod list be by real e-mail. There are mods who people may never want to know their real e-mail address.

I could go on, but, I'd end up insulting the BOINC developer. I will say ask yourself why some projects don't use the BOINC boards in favor of other open source boards.

Re 1 & 2: Yes the OP is the only one to get the notice of why. If you'd like further information PM the OP, whether they tell you why is up to them. If a thread is having a cooldown a notice is usually posted to that effect, you can blame me for not doing so in this case.

Re 3: A throwaway account can be set up in minutes and discarded just as quickly.

As to other projects not using the Boinc boards, i don't see how that's relevant. Boinc is used here and that's that.

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Member of the People Encouraging Niceness In Society club.

I could go on, but, I'd end up insulting the BOINC developer.

The Moderator email list as used by Seti was set up by Seti, it's not a function of the BOINC forums.

The only function where the email address of the moderators is needed is for the red-x, and then that's normally the email address that the user used to register their account with. It's just so that every moderator on that list gets an email from apache that user so and so (userID number) has clicked the red-x and given reason blabla.

There's no 'list' that the moderators then can use to email each other and have in-depth musings about the color of the sky, or for a behind your back conversation about you. They could of course do so, but will then have to do an Email to All to do so.

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I found the modlist to be very usefull. We could discuss what actions should be taken. And it was not secret either. Any Admin from Fred up to Dr.A. Could read every redX and every action taken by a Mod.
And I will tell you that yes we were questioned on some actions and taken to task.

Those of you who think its easy to be a moderator are sadly mistaken. Come next August 2014 Im sure there will be another rotation of mods. So if you think you can be Gods greatest Moderator please let Fred know you want to be one. I will even send you a flame proof coverall, slightly used.

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Old James

I could go on, but, I'd end up insulting the BOINC developer.

The Moderator email list as used by Seti was set up by Seti, it's not a function of the BOINC forums.

The going on wasn't about the mod e-mail list.

And I'm fully aware the mod e-mail list isn't part of BOINC. I believe it has its own Terms of Service agreement, which I haven't seen incorporated into Seti@home, which might become a problem at some point in the future.

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I could go on, but, I'd end up insulting the BOINC developer.

The Moderator email list as used by Seti was set up by Seti, it's not a function of the BOINC forums.

The going on wasn't about the mod e-mail list.

And I'm fully aware the mod e-mail list isn't part of BOINC. I believe it has its own Terms of Service agreement, which I haven't seen incorporated into Seti@home, which might become a problem at some point in the future.

And why would you see it? Youre not a Mod. Now that my mod buttons are gone I dont see all the good stuff anymore either.

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