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Message 1409238 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 8:31:41 UTC

In a post earlier today, I have been accused of baiting I.D., the post is of course now hidden, but basically I objected to his response when I had shown he was a liar.

But should any of I.D.'s posts be allowed here in the first place.

He has entered a site dedicated to Science. Where it would be logical to assume most people would not be supportive of "Intelligent Design". This site is housed in the USA but has to be regarded as an international site, therefore it should respect International standards. "Intelligent Design" therefore should not be allowed on the Science boards. "Intelligent Design" is banded from being taught as a science subject in the UK, and one must assume that school children from the UK would be welcome to read all the posts. We have to obey the rules on bad language as defined by our American hosts. I have had a post hidden because it contained a verbatim quote from a well respected UK newspaper.

I.D. has also stated he is a strong believer that the designer is god, again to come to a science site and expect other to blindly accept his views as a Roman Catholic and not be challenged is in my opinion naive.

I therefore put it to you that it is not me that is baiting, but that most if not all of I.D.s posts are bait.
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Message 1409251 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 9:14:23 UTC
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Sometimes while reading posts in this forum i'm reminded of a couple of documentaries on the Westboro Baptist.
Though they can be rather vile they can also be rather childlike in their charm.
A rational person will soon dismiss them as irrelevant.
Lets hope that the new Pope can bring the religious bigots in the Catholic church out of the middle ages.
Pope Francis does seem to have some enlightened views on where he'd like to take the church but the forces against him are deeply entrenched in ignorance.

I'm not sure if it's baiting or trolling. Baiting suggests going after certain fish,
whereas trolling suggests going after any fish that will bite.
Some persons are here just to troll and have no interest in the science being done.
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Message 1409269 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 11:10:12 UTC - in response to Message 1409263.  

...complete anonymity...

Robert, aka Intelligent Design, is by no means cloaked in anonymity. He has placed enough information on his SETI@home profile for anyone with an internet link to work out exactly who he is, where he is, what he does, where else he posts, and more, in less than 5 minutes.
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Message 1409315 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 13:28:27 UTC

Why do so many people here believe unerringly in the theory of gravity, after all, it's only a theory. It is insulting that engineers design structures only considering physical mass. Gravity is too weak to possibly hold everything on the planet. It must be God using our souls to hold everything down by Intelligent Falling.
Why is Intelligent Falling not taught in schools alongside the theory of gravity so that students can make an informed decision? This is an oppression of our free speech!
Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.
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Message 1409369 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 16:05:11 UTC

I'm assuming the moderators have now decided to allow politics style posts across the entire boards.

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Message 1409541 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 22:20:14 UTC

I'm not a good lier. So I don't very often. It get's you no place.

My mother has in the past called me--"brutally honest" and told me it would bring me trouble. It has, and I don't care. Rather die an honest man then a foolish liar.

Why should anyone of you care?
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Message 1409547 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 22:28:28 UTC - in response to Message 1409541.  

I'm not a good lier. So I don't very often. It get's you no place.

My mother has in the past called me--"brutally honest" and told me it would bring me trouble. It has, and I don't care. Rather die an honest man then a foolish liar.

Why should anyone of you care?


For once I.D I've got to stand by you. I've had 50 years of grief because of that same attitude. Stay true to that honesty. It's damned painful, but at least we can live with ourselves.
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Message 1409551 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 22:36:23 UTC - in response to Message 1409547.  

I'm not a good lier. So I don't very often. It get's you no place.

My mother has in the past called me--"brutally honest" and told me it would bring me trouble. It has, and I don't care. Rather die an honest man then a foolish liar.

Why should anyone of you care?


For once I.D I've got to stand by you. I've had 50 years of grief because of that same attitude. Stay true to that honesty. It's damned painful, but at least we can live with ourselves.

Thank you, that is one of the most kind remarks I have ever had at this site.

Thank you very much!
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Message 1409552 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 22:38:42 UTC - in response to Message 1409551.  

You're welcome. It wasn't flattery but brutal honesty. It's caused me no end of grief which I have no intention of posting publicly, suffice to say that'll I'll never change.
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Message 1409565 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 23:07:26 UTC
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Honesty. I don't see any honesty in posting two contradictory statements and then trying to brush it off as inconsequential. With no apology or any indication on which of the statements he wishes to stand by.

Just instructing us to move on and brush over his errors is not acceptable to me, and I see no honesty in it at all.

That is not honesty that is disrespect, not just to me but to the whole Seti community.
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Message 1409581 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 23:30:52 UTC - in response to Message 1409552.  

You're welcome. It wasn't flattery but brutal honesty. It's caused me no end of grief which I have no intention of posting publicly, suffice to say that'll I'll never change.

I don't want you to change. Change comes from within you. I appreciate brutal honesty even if I disagree. Least I know where that person stands, and I find that fair if nothing else.
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Message 1409663 - Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 5:30:10 UTC

Sadly one can only be as honest to others as they are to themselves. Many of us have chosen to ignore facts in favor of rhetoric, it is easier and requires less effort to maintain.

We are all entitled to our own "Faith" or Fantasy, whichever you wish to call it. And messing with a fragile belief system is a very dangerous thing.

There are some who are downright deliberately false, simply for their own purposes. Those I would call liars.

Others believe the falsehoods they espouse and ignore any facts offered. Those I would not call liars. Those I would say are deluded.

Neither of these terms is flattering, and using them towards a specific person is insulting, inflammatory and fruitless.

Which makes the ignore function(AKA twit filter) a valuable function. The consequence is of course these people can espouse their nonsense un-hindered.

And honestly this post is not intended to annoy/inflame/antagonize anyone.
But if someone does take offense then.. Well good because the shoe probably fits in that case.

And you might notice I have not a lot to say, nor read in politics anymore.
It is not I have changed or re-evaluated positions. It is that anything I can contribute is un-needed, or un-heeded. And I see little value in continuing.

Once again, perception is reality. Make your reality a good one.
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Message 1409671 - Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 6:26:08 UTC

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!
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Message 1409693 - Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 8:25:09 UTC

One of the reasons I have issues is with the thread "Religious people are less intelligent than atheists" on the Science (non-SETI) board.

Look what people said in the few posts before I.D.'s first post in that thread. And then look at the results after he was allowed to return after his last vacation.

And then look me in the eye and say I.D.'s and his posts are good for this site.
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Message 1409754 - Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 12:20:21 UTC

The title of this thread says it all. It takes all sorts to make a world from top to bottom, each with their own views of that world rosy or not.

The answer is simple, don't read the thread. However if one does, take what you read with a pinch of salt and walk away. Should one find the topic interesting, then it's up to them to post.

I.D had been on these boards for long enough for everyone to form an opinion, yet all I see are people replying to him even though the views of him have been formed. Why do it?

If that's how I.D. sees the world who are we to dissuade him? If you dislike what he stands for, walk away.

If everyone does this long enough, he'll see the senselessness in creating threads with just his own posts.

Slagging people off serves no purpose and only gives reason for others to form an opinion of the one doing the slagging.

We are all human and none of us are perfect!
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Message 1409770 - Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 13:46:40 UTC - in response to Message 1409693.  

And then look me in the eye and say I.D.'s and his posts are good for this site.

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When someone has a belief, which they have no intention of changing, and they ask prove me wrong, that is a troll who is posting flame bait. When it happens often, then the purpose should be obvious, it is to disrupt the boards.


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Message 1409779 - Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 14:12:49 UTC - in response to Message 1409770.  

And then look me in the eye and say I.D.'s and his posts are good for this site.

+1

When someone has a belief, which they have no intention of changing, and they ask prove me wrong, that is a troll who is posting flame bait. When it happens often, then the purpose should be obvious, it is to disrupt the boards.



The answer lies in the post above.
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Message 1409812 - Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 15:50:02 UTC - in response to Message 1409754.  
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The point is the thread that was disrupted and got closed was started by me.

Therefore it is logical that I would have an interest in the thread and not a thread I am going to walk away from just because an ignorant oaf who in all probability never even read the first post or the link before posting.

Now if you are suggesting that I should walk, then someone has to decide whether you want a person who;

Spent hours, with Jord, Tony and others, assisting in the transition from Classic to BOINC,
spent a long time over on Beta on the enhanced and AP testing, including the Please read before Posting thread. That wasn't the original title by the way. And the first Draft of the AP FAQ

OR someone like I.D.

edit] If you don't know who Jord and Tony are then you haven't been here long enough. But suffice it to say they both walked because of the stupidity of others. Jord does pop up occasionally in NC but mainly in reference to BOINC problems and explanations.
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