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Message 1409238 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 8:31:41 UTC

In a post earlier today, I have been accused of baiting I.D., the post is of course now hidden, but basically I objected to his response when I had shown he was a liar.

But should any of I.D.'s posts be allowed here in the first place.

He has entered a site dedicated to Science. Where it would be logical to assume most people would not be supportive of "Intelligent Design". This site is housed in the USA but has to be regarded as an international site, therefore it should respect International standards. "Intelligent Design" therefore should not be allowed on the Science boards. "Intelligent Design" is banded from being taught as a science subject in the UK, and one must assume that school children from the UK would be welcome to read all the posts. We have to obey the rules on bad language as defined by our American hosts. I have had a post hidden because it contained a verbatim quote from a well respected UK newspaper.

I.D. has also stated he is a strong believer that the designer is god, again to come to a science site and expect other to blindly accept his views as a Roman Catholic and not be challenged is in my opinion naive.

I therefore put it to you that it is not me that is baiting, but that most if not all of I.D.s posts are bait.

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Message 1409251 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 9:14:23 UTC
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Sometimes while reading posts in this forum i'm reminded of a couple of documentaries on the Westboro Baptist.
Though they can be rather vile they can also be rather childlike in their charm.
A rational person will soon dismiss them as irrelevant.
Lets hope that the new Pope can bring the religious bigots in the Catholic church out of the middle ages.
Pope Francis does seem to have some enlightened views on where he'd like to take the church but the forces against him are deeply entrenched in ignorance.

I'm not sure if it's baiting or trolling. Baiting suggests going after certain fish,
whereas trolling suggests going after any fish that will bite.
Some persons are here just to troll and have no interest in the science being done.

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Message 1409263 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 10:46:10 UTC

Some persons are here just to troll and have no interest in the science being done.

You get that on any forum, and always will do. Where else can people post the most outrageous views and comments and get away with it in complete anonymity, which they wouldn't do in real life. I could start up a new account here tomorrow, make out I'm 45 years younger than I am, and pick a country flag 1/2 way around the world from me. Join a suitable team, add a bit of broken English etc, Who would know who I really was? We may have some very intelligent 8 year olds posting here, or lots of bad tempered old men, who can tell! (Obvious responses are known in advance!)

Trolls like winding people up for their own amusement, they obviously don't have any other entertainment in their real lives. There are others that are fervent believers in their own particular religion, and try to usurp these forums in a bid to get their message across as their duty to mankind. If they stood on street corners bible thumping they'd get moved on, or ignored, here within reason they are tolerated, because of free speech. If some people irritate you, put them on filter, that is what it is there for.

There is a rule here which says

Team recruiting is only allowed in the Team Recruitment Forum

Perhaps we should add another one

Religious recruitment is only allowed in specific religion forums.

Perhaps the wording can be improved upon, but the aim is to keep all that sort of stuff in one place, not dotted all over the boards. There seems a bit of a vendetta against ID at the moment which I'm not sure is quite 100% deserved. I've actually agreed with him on a couple of occasions! Yes, like others, I do wish he'd stop banging on about his particular belief, we've all got the message. Then again inappropriate posts of his go missing, as indeed he does from time to time, so he doesn't get it all his own way.

Carry on.

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Message 1409269 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 11:10:12 UTC - in response to Message 1409263.

...complete anonymity...

Robert, aka Intelligent Design, is by no means cloaked in anonymity. He has placed enough information on his SETI@home profile for anyone with an internet link to work out exactly who he is, where he is, what he does, where else he posts, and more, in less than 5 minutes.
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Message 1409276 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 11:27:53 UTC

Well that was his choice to do that. He didn't have to, and many others haven't done so either. I haven't looked at his profile because I'm not that interested, so I will take your word for it.

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Message 1409315 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 13:28:27 UTC

Why do so many people here believe unerringly in the theory of gravity, after all, it's only a theory. It is insulting that engineers design structures only considering physical mass. Gravity is too weak to possibly hold everything on the planet. It must be God using our souls to hold everything down by Intelligent Falling.
Why is Intelligent Falling not taught in schools alongside the theory of gravity so that students can make an informed decision? This is an oppression of our free speech!
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Message 1409322 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 13:46:46 UTC
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Message 1409340 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 14:53:54 UTC

Ok. Carry on. But be careful.

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Message 1409369 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 16:05:11 UTC

I'm assuming the moderators have now decided to allow politics style posts across the entire boards.

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Message 1409446 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 18:13:24 UTC
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No, I don't think they have Gary. WK was miffed at one of his posts being hidden and he had a moan about it. We all know that we shouldn't discuss Moderator actions on the boards, you're supposed to take it up with the Mods in the first instance, and then with Fred if necessary. On this occasion it was let by. Guy wasn't happy at the way this thread was developing, and sensibly took advice. Down to us now.

There is a bit of ID bashing going on, but when you read his profile, as I have now done, it's hardly surprising he gets a strong reaction at times. He almost challenges people to knock him down. I would have thought that giving so much personal information was unwise, but there we are.

C'mon folks, nothing to make a real fuss about here, this Syria business worries me a thousand times more.

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Message 1409541 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 22:20:14 UTC

I'm not a good lier. So I don't very often. It get's you no place.

My mother has in the past called me--"brutally honest" and told me it would bring me trouble. It has, and I don't care. Rather die an honest man then a foolish liar.

Why should anyone of you care?
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Message 1409547 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 22:28:28 UTC - in response to Message 1409541.

I'm not a good lier. So I don't very often. It get's you no place.

My mother has in the past called me--"brutally honest" and told me it would bring me trouble. It has, and I don't care. Rather die an honest man then a foolish liar.

Why should anyone of you care?


For once I.D I've got to stand by you. I've had 50 years of grief because of that same attitude. Stay true to that honesty. It's damned painful, but at least we can live with ourselves.
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Message 1409551 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 22:36:23 UTC - in response to Message 1409547.

I'm not a good lier. So I don't very often. It get's you no place.

My mother has in the past called me--"brutally honest" and told me it would bring me trouble. It has, and I don't care. Rather die an honest man then a foolish liar.

Why should anyone of you care?


For once I.D I've got to stand by you. I've had 50 years of grief because of that same attitude. Stay true to that honesty. It's damned painful, but at least we can live with ourselves.

Thank you, that is one of the most kind remarks I have ever had at this site.

Thank you very much!
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Message 1409552 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 22:38:42 UTC - in response to Message 1409551.

You're welcome. It wasn't flattery but brutal honesty. It's caused me no end of grief which I have no intention of posting publicly, suffice to say that'll I'll never change.
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Message 1409565 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 23:07:26 UTC
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Honesty. I don't see any honesty in posting two contradictory statements and then trying to brush it off as inconsequential. With no apology or any indication on which of the statements he wishes to stand by.

Just instructing us to move on and brush over his errors is not acceptable to me, and I see no honesty in it at all.

That is not honesty that is disrespect, not just to me but to the whole Seti community.

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Message 1409581 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 23:30:52 UTC - in response to Message 1409552.

You're welcome. It wasn't flattery but brutal honesty. It's caused me no end of grief which I have no intention of posting publicly, suffice to say that'll I'll never change.

I don't want you to change. Change comes from within you. I appreciate brutal honesty even if I disagree. Least I know where that person stands, and I find that fair if nothing else.
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Message 1409663 - Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 5:30:10 UTC

Sadly one can only be as honest to others as they are to themselves. Many of us have chosen to ignore facts in favor of rhetoric, it is easier and requires less effort to maintain.

We are all entitled to our own "Faith" or Fantasy, whichever you wish to call it. And messing with a fragile belief system is a very dangerous thing.

There are some who are downright deliberately false, simply for their own purposes. Those I would call liars.

Others believe the falsehoods they espouse and ignore any facts offered. Those I would not call liars. Those I would say are deluded.

Neither of these terms is flattering, and using them towards a specific person is insulting, inflammatory and fruitless.

Which makes the ignore function(AKA twit filter) a valuable function. The consequence is of course these people can espouse their nonsense un-hindered.

And honestly this post is not intended to annoy/inflame/antagonize anyone.
But if someone does take offense then.. Well good because the shoe probably fits in that case.

And you might notice I have not a lot to say, nor read in politics anymore.
It is not I have changed or re-evaluated positions. It is that anything I can contribute is un-needed, or un-heeded. And I see little value in continuing.

Once again, perception is reality. Make your reality a good one.
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Message 1409693 - Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 8:25:09 UTC

One of the reasons I have issues is with the thread "Religious people are less intelligent than atheists" on the Science (non-SETI) board.

Look what people said in the few posts before I.D.'s first post in that thread. And then look at the results after he was allowed to return after his last vacation.

And then look me in the eye and say I.D.'s and his posts are good for this site.

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Message 1409754 - Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 12:20:21 UTC

The title of this thread says it all. It takes all sorts to make a world from top to bottom, each with their own views of that world rosy or not.

The answer is simple, don't read the thread. However if one does, take what you read with a pinch of salt and walk away. Should one find the topic interesting, then it's up to them to post.

I.D had been on these boards for long enough for everyone to form an opinion, yet all I see are people replying to him even though the views of him have been formed. Why do it?

If that's how I.D. sees the world who are we to dissuade him? If you dislike what he stands for, walk away.

If everyone does this long enough, he'll see the senselessness in creating threads with just his own posts.

Slagging people off serves no purpose and only gives reason for others to form an opinion of the one doing the slagging.

We are all human and none of us are perfect!
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