... Maybe it's time for MS & Apple fanboys to turn the tables on *nix fanboys for the cause of all the Trojans, Malware, Spyware, Adware caught from accessing servers on the Internet which as you so correctly point out to us are operated using some form of Linux and as seen, possible due to a 20 year old bug.

Except that "20 year old bug" has not hit the news for those 20 years and has been fixed in a matter of hours by those that care.

Meanwhile, I think everyone can agree that it was Microsoft that ushered into existence the age of viruses/trojans/malware on a scale never before seen. Note that I see that still remains on a scale still not seen for any other operating system...

We have too many examples of how going proprietary and secretive is too bad a recipe for hiding all the warts and insecurity behind an overly hopeful cloak of obfuscation... I think we've seen too much of how that doesn't work well.


Sorry, you need to cast your Auditors eyes on the festering pile that continues to be proprietary with the sell your-soul-EULAs all-with-no-comeback. There are an awful lot more than just 'two incidents' in there! Unfortunately, I still waste far too much of my time with that proprietary silliness...


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...& he more you continue with your "fanfare for Linux" the more dumb users will continue to use Apple/Microsoft.

Think you need Moses to bless you with long life so that you can outlast the "Apple/Microsoft" mortals as that's the only way Linux will achieve world domination.

...& he more you continue with your "fanfare for Linux" the more dumb users will continue to use Apple/Microsoft.

Or is that not more a case of the dumb being blinded by the triumph of Marketing?

Think you need Moses to bless you with long life so that you can outlast the "Apple/Microsoft" mortals as that's the only way Linux will achieve world domination.

Unfortunately, we already have the world domination of Google riding on the back of the power of Linux.

Even more unfortunately, there is noone else as good at what Google are doing.

Meanwhile, hopefully FLOSS ideals will hang around for a lot longer than me. You never know, the ideals of FLOSS and the GPL may grow into a worldwide cult... ;-)


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Frankly I don't care how fast a bug is fixed, within reason, I care that it is fixed and I don't have to apply patch after patch for the same thing. That leads to no confidence in the patches.

As to Apple, you can get a new bash right now.

However, I care a lot more about how long if ever I will see a patch for the damn actiontec dsl/modem/router my ISP insists I must use.

My desktops, phones, tablets, laptops can be patched, but if the router isn't, I'm still in a big world of hurt. And if the router isn't patched the firewall is swiss cheese and the entire LAN is exposed along with DNS redirects.

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I sit here and can't stop laughing at all those people that payed big dollars for there Mac's . "Mac is better because it can't be hacked " yeh right .And to think this bug was found on a hunch , and has been there for 25 yrs

So dam funny

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...& he more you continue with your "fanfare for Linux" the more dumb users will continue to use Apple/Microsoft.

That sounds fine to me. The thing i like best about Linux is its small user base.

The minute the 'dumb users' come over to Linux is when it'll be spoiled.

Similar story with healthcare (this might be a bit UK-centric, sorry), i have private medical cover so if i get ill, i can go into a nice, clean, private hospital, be seen by the best doctors and receive the best treatment. (This represents Linux)
The ones without that cover end up in the NHS, which provides most of the same services, garnished with a dollop of MRSA and/or C. diff. (This represents Windows)
One has to leave money aside for this analogy to work

If the NHS didn't exist, the plague-ridden commoners would end up in the private hospitals and they'd be ruined. Long live the NHS/Windows.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

Simon i don't have a prob with Linux because it's free but people that pay big bucks for a Mac i just Laugh at .
Mac users are dummy's and why i all ways get Glen can you fix my Mac .Eyes roll to the back of my head . What's wrong with it , Blah ,Blah ,Blah .....no take it back to the shop if it's still under warrenty , ah it's not ....skit ok give it here i'll try .. Then when they come back to pick it up , That's $50 bucks ... jaw drops but ,but you don't charge me when for fixing the windows machine ...so what $50 bucks or i'll unfix it ...grrrr here , thank you . Then they don't come back and ask me again ...good !

Same with there Iphones . I made the mistake of telling one friend that i can jail break his Iphone big mistake all his friends keep asking me to do there 's so i started to tell them i can't do it anymore Apple has a fix for jail breaking them ....

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Mac users are dummy's

Sigh! Genralisation, stereotyping.

I have found that most Mac users I have come across tend to be more switched on and can use a computer properly.

It is the hoards of Windows users I have dealt with that do dumb things.

But that's fine I don't mind being called a dummy, as they say it takes one to know one.

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Macs look nice, and the UI is more intuitive than Windows, but by jingo they're expensive!
If they weren't so pricey i'd have one.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

ahhhh Bernie . you paid to much for your Mac so either you got to much money and no cents or your a dummy for paying way to much for your computer but that ok mate i'm not offeneded

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ahhhh Bernie . you paid to much for your Mac so either you got to much money and no cents or your a dummy for paying way to much for your computer but that ok mate i'm not offeneded

Well you might not be offended but I now am.

So you know how much I paid?

Well I brought it second hand for roughly the same price as similar spec second hand Windows laptops and I like it much more than Windows machines.

But as you say I have no "sense" so what do I know.

I don't hate Windows or Android users I have Windows machines and had a Samsung Galaxy Ace, I now have an iPhone and iPad and would not be without them. I just prefer Apple.

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Sorry i was only joking ok

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Sorry i was only joking ok

So stick one of these at the end of your jokes...

:-)

Even I found your last few posts offensive.

Hence... This one will be interesting to see unfold. Hopefully there is more bluster than actual blow-up.
The systems I run are already updated and none had bash exposed externally in any case and certainly not on the various web servers.
Regardless, a good wake up and some fantastic publicity!

As to be expected, pure selfishness! What about the rest of the world?

Web attacks build on Shellshock

hmm, expect many more 155mm's to come, hope they don't hurt too much :-)

Sorry i was only joking ok

So stick one of these at the end of your jokes...

:-)

Even I found your last few posts offensive.

+1

I have Macs because they work period and someone spent a lot of time putting a proper UI on *nix. Yes, Mac is *nix! I've got doze because, I have to support doze users and have an app or two that simply isn't available on any other O/S. Oh, and the first O/S I used was called "Monitor."

As to Apple, they make insanely great products. They may not have every last bell and whistle, but putting every last bell and whistle on something usually makes for an insane time trying to use it.

As to linix, right now I don't need it, I already have a *nix O/S, Mac. I'm sure I could work my way through the kludgy combination or Mac O/S and doze that is the linux UI. I'm equally sure I'd have to mess with it under the hood changing some kernel parameters to tune it as it can't come out of the box tuned for particular hardware.

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To be fair, I've found Linux a great help with resolving some Windows issues that Microsoft in their wisdom still can't resolve efficiently themselves.

I just dislike the constant evangelism & selfishness that Linux geeks portray!

It seems that recent patches for Shellshock have been ineffective and hackers (especially Russian 1's) have been making hay at exploiting those Bash bug vulnerabilities claims Fireeye and Trend Micro.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2372788/ineffective-bash-shellshock-bug-fix-means-hackers-are-still-exploiting-the-vulnerability

Cheers.

It seems that recent patches for Shellshock have been ineffective and hackers (especially Russian 1's) have been making hay at exploiting those Bash bug vulnerabilities claims Fireeye and Trend Micro.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2372788/ineffective-bash-shellshock-bug-fix-means-hackers-are-still-exploiting-the-vulnerability

Thanks for that one. As variously mentioned, such silliness hits the headline news for *nix. Rather unexpected though to see TWO big headlines in the year after years of nothing untoward! Whereas such silliness seen for a certain other system is such an everyday occurrence that the news has gone stale for such continued silliness there.


The closing remark is apt:

... While Google and Amazon both issued statements announcing the steps they've taken to contain the vulnerability, Apple, whose Mac OS X operating system is one of the potential targets of the exploit, characteristically played down the risk to consumers.

In the Linux world, the first fix and then the follow-on fix were available within hours. For some proprietary vendors, the fixes are yet to roll out...


And for whatever systems left abandoned, they will only get noticed when they fail or cause a nuisance that is noticed...

Still watching for how this one unfolds...


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In the Linux world, the first fix and then the follow-on fix were available within hours. For some proprietary vendors, the fixes are yet to roll out...

That maybe, but it shows that *nix is not all it's made out to be. Regardless of proprietary software, how many fixes is that now for *nix?

In the Linux world, the first fix and then the follow-on fix were available within hours. For some proprietary vendors, the fixes are yet to roll out...

That maybe, but it shows that *nix is not all it's made out to be. Regardless of proprietary software, how many fixes is that now for *nix?

Two hit the headlines vs many hundreds including many more than just two "could allow remote code execution" as seems to be typical most months for Windows...


Perhaps we even have some very healthy publicity from this for how Linux has unobtrusively been so widely used for so long to now suddenly be seen to be so significant...

(I sometimes wonder if Microsoft has been deliberately using CERT for free monthly publicity from all the security alerts to remind you that Microsoft was still there...)


IT is what we make it...
Martin

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