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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20258 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
The last thread ran a spectacular course, as has Linux itself. What better way to start a new thread than with the news: Linux 3.11-rc7 Celebrates 22 Years Of Linux It was on this day twenty-two years ago that Linus Torvalds made the first public release of his Linux operating system. In celebrating the 22nd birthday... ... Hello everybody out there using Linux - I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, even if it's big and professional) for 486+ AT clones and just about anything else out there under the sun. This has been brewing since april 1991, and is still not ready. I'd like any feedback on things people like/dislike in Linux 3.11-rc7... IT is very much what we all make it... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20258 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Keep banging your drum Martin... If you have forever sold you soul to Ballmer... Have you not heard that he is on his way out with a godly chunk of your money?... Meanwhile, Linus remains as relaxed and as quixotic as ever and Linux works very well for myself and many others. Certainly allows more freedom than other systems... IT is still what we make it, all the more so in recent times... Do you know where your bits go?... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
For one who's professed to have ran a network of 1000 or more, that was uncalled for. Maybe you ought to give Linux a try as just like Windoze it has its +'s & -'s. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/08/ios-and-android-weaknesses-allow-stealthy-pilfering-of-website-credentials/ "Dan Goodin @ ArsTechnica.com" wrote: Computer scientists have uncovered architectural weaknesses in both the iOS and Android mobile operating systems that make it possible for hackers to steal sensitive user data and login credentials for popular e-mail and storage services. [Edited to add] Oh, and before Martin has a chance to use this to dismiss the very important finding; yes, at least one of the researchers on the project works for Microsoft as the article mentions near the end. Though if he's like most professionals, he won't allow his employer's views to get in the way of finding data to support any assertion made. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
just like Windoze it has its +'s & -'s. Fully agreed, but it does get rather tiresome to constantly see Marin bash Windows at every turn and praise Linux at every chance. A little bit of balance would be nice. As I've said before, I have my own laundry list of complaints about Windows, but I find it preferable to use for a variety of reasons. I was, however, so pissed off about the closure of Technet that I immediately looked into replacing my desktop OS with Mint - and was blocked by being unable to simply make some Windows apps work through Wine and not having the time or motivation to look for alternatives (if any exist). So much for "it just simply works, reliably." |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Fully agreed, but it does get rather tiresome to constantly see Marin bash Windows at every turn and praise Linux at every chance. A little bit of balance would be nice. Balance or Reality? +1 |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Fully agreed, but it does get rather tiresome to constantly see Marin bash Windows at every turn and praise Linux at every chance. A little bit of balance would be nice. Wouldn't balance bring him back down to reality? ;-P |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
More of that perfect Linux security ..,. http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-08-28/how-syrian-hackers-found-the-new-york-times-australian-weak-spot |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20258 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
More of that perfect Linux security ..,. So please explain your derogatory connection with what you are calling Linux for that one please?... Or are you just desperate for anything you see as 'dirt' to drag the rest of the world down to what you consider to be 'perfect'? Or just trolling as usual? Please explain the failing/exploit for your example... IT is very much what we make it... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20258 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... balance ... And the balance swings which way? IT is what we make it... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
... balance ... I'll tell you what; you start listing honest issues and criticisms with Linux and I'll start venting my frustrations with Microsoft products. I'm not the one that creates threads to glorify Microsoft, and I certainly don't push or insist people on using MS products. I give my honest opinion when someone asks for opinions, and I try to offer help whenever I see that I can help someone, but I don't go out of my way to "convert" people - such as what I've frequently seen you do in various threads with Windows or virus issues. The first step to having Linux dominate is to admit to it's flaws and work to fix them. No hand-waiving; no dismissing; no "you're holding it wrong". Even Bill Gates turned a critical eye on the Microsoft environment. There's nothing wrong with admitting the problems. You don't have to compete on a "perception of perfection". Just admit the shortcomings and work toward resolving them. After all, IT is what we make it, right? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
More of that perfect Linux security ..,. Tell me, do you think any M$ product is up to running a Domain Name Registrar? If so please list the product(s). What is left is Linux. Obviously hacked, again! |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20258 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Tell me, do you think any M$ product is up to running a Domain Name Registrar? If so please list the product(s). What is left is Linux. Obviously hacked,again! You are just fluffing. The particular Registrar wasn't "hacked". The perpetrators guessed or were given the login details for the particular user. Hence why only the one particular DNS address for the one website was affected... Now... I'm the first to admit that our decades old system of usernames and passwords is fundamentally bad for human users and insecure for that. However, that has pretty much nothing to do with Linux. Indeed, some FLOSS projects are pioneering better alternatives. (If only we could get Banking to be a lot more sensible and security conscious!) Next for your irrational attacks? IT is what we make it, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
The particular Registrar wasn't "hacked". The perpetrators guessed or were given the login details for the particular user. Hence why only the one particular DNS address for the one website was affected... Didn't read the article did you ... par for the course, can't allow facts to burst your bubble. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20258 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
The particular Registrar wasn't "hacked". The perpetrators guessed or were given the login details for the particular user. Hence why only the one particular DNS address for the one website was affected... You continue to fluff. Note your complete lack of facts and vague finger pointing. Spit it out clearly and directly please, or you are welcome to be labelled as a FUD-mongerer. So again, directly, your point is what? And with what detail/links? And for your balance, how does that compare to other operating systems? Your continued vague trolling and mud-slinging is noted. Please start your own XYZ-is-great thread if you wish to show the world what is really good. IT is what we all make it... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20258 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
For a little of the requested 'balance' recently, here's a little giggle to counter-balance the balance on Message 1409297: (Those of a sensitive disposition, please do not click!) YouTube: Hitler and Open Source IT is very much what we make it... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/08/unpatched-mac-bug-gives-attackers-super-user-status-by-going-back-in-time/ "Dan Goodin @ ArsTechnica.com" wrote: Researchers have made it easier to exploit a five-month-old security flaw that allows penetration testers and less-ethical hackers to gain nearly unfettered "root" access to Macs over which they already have limited control. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20258 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/08/unpatched-mac-bug-gives-attackers-super-user-status-by-going-back-in-time/ Thanks for that, that's quite a good one. As always, you've missed off a few bits: ... While the bug also affected many Linux distributions, most of those require a root password to change the computer clock. Macs impose no such restrictions on clock changes... Also note: ... edit the sudo config, and adding the line Regardless, that is rather interesting for how it all happened: Anatomy of a bug - the five minute insecurity window in the sudo command Note also that the bug was very quickly fixed once found: sudo: Authentication bypass when clock is reset So? The message is? As always, updates are needed and noone is perfect, hence updates are needed. The problem as always is to ensure safe updating. So far, FLOSS and the open source community appear to get this far more right than the secretive proprietary world. "By design" also helps. (Note, there is no need to bother posting all and every minor problem with such as Windows on the Win8 thread, just the major problems list is long enough! There's so very overwhelming many that would guarantee noone would read it! Oh, I see... That is the game is it?) IT is very much what we make it, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
As always, you've missed off a few bits I didn't miss anything. I purposely leave parts off to see who reads the articles. I'm glad to see you follow through. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
The particular Registrar wasn't "hacked". The perpetrators guessed or were given the login details for the particular user. Hence why only the one particular DNS address for the one website was affected... You affirmatively stated one web site was affected. You failed to read the article that listed 3 sites affected. Sorry, you lose. |
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