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Message 1406875 - Posted: 23 Aug 2013, 12:54:13 UTC
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Try if you can to imagine a world without privacy.

Noone can lead a life so perfect and so aware of cultural norms as to not fall victim to straying away from the cultural values assumed and imposed by others.

Or worse, it is impossible to always be 'correct' for the conflicting random arbitrary 'interpretations' made by whatever different groups of vigilantes, or religious groups, or political groups, or whoever else.


And yet:

For the sake of deliberately obscure and turgidly verbose "Terms of Service", and the frivolous lure of cheaply provided "free-of-cost" "cloud" services including such as email, our online population naively leave open to scrutiny all details of their personal lives.

Worse, even those not 'online' suffer their personal details being equally vulnerable due to the companies and organizations they deal with being themselves 'online'.


How soon before the deadly online "house-of-cards" collapses?

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Message 1406876 - Posted: 23 Aug 2013, 12:58:18 UTC
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For the sake of deliberately obscure and turgidly verbose "Terms of Service", and the frivolous lure of cheaply provided "free-of-cost" "cloud" services including such as email, our online population naively leave open to scrutiny all details of their personal lives.

Okay, source of that comment please?

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Message 1406877 - Posted: 23 Aug 2013, 13:00:51 UTC - in response to Message 1406876.

For the sake of deliberately obscure and turgidly verbose "Terms of Service", and the frivolous lure of cheaply provided "free-of-cost" "cloud" services including such as email, our online population naively leave open to scrutiny all details of their personal lives.

Okay, source of that comment please?


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Message 1406879 - Posted: 23 Aug 2013, 13:04:49 UTC - in response to Message 1406876.

For the sake of deliberately obscure and turgidly verbose "Terms of Service", and the frivolous lure of cheaply provided "free-of-cost" "cloud" services including such as email, our online population naively leave open to scrutiny all details of their personal lives.

Okay, source of that comment please?

Me, and only my opinion as always.

However, I'm sure you can find examples for yourself.

Just one small example... Have you seen some of the examples for the TOS for using a WiFi 'hotspot' in some places? One recent example I declined was over six pages of small-print, required personal identifiable details for marketing purposes, and you agreed to Phorm-like monitoring...

All for just using a slow WiFi hot-spot to access the internet?!

No thanks.


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Message 1414852 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 0:01:17 UTC - in response to Message 1406875.

Try if you can to imagine a world without privacy.

Noone can lead a life so perfect and so aware of cultural norms as to not fall victim to straying away from the cultural values assumed and imposed by others.

Or worse, it is impossible to always be 'correct' for the conflicting random arbitrary 'interpretations' made by whatever different groups of vigilantes, or religious groups, or political groups, or whoever else.


And yet:




Revealed: how US and UK spy agencies defeat internet privacy and security

• NSA and GCHQ unlock encryption used to protect emails, banking and medical records
• $250m-a-year US program works covertly with tech companies to insert weaknesses into products
• Security experts say programs 'undermine the fabric of the internet'



And yet still no great public outcry?...


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Message 1417216 - Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 14:46:29 UTC
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A reminder and wake-up call for all those who believe they have nothing to hide?


China's 'Big Vs' disown [them]selves online to avoid new gossip laws

The Chinese government’s unprecedented crack down on online...

... it is the latter group, OffBeat China said, which have been most active in unverifying their accounts, after presumably calculating that the risk of sticking their heads above the online parapet is not worth the reward.




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Message 1424571 - Posted: 5 Oct 2013, 13:12:15 UTC - in response to Message 1417216.

A reminder and wake-up call for all those who believe they have nothing to hide?



Morocco teens held for kissing photo on Facebook

A Moroccan teenage boy and girl have been arrested for posting an online photograph of themselves kissing. The couple - aged 14 and 15 - had their picture taken by a friend outside their school in the north-eastern town of Nador...

They were held for violating public decency...



Do you hold and follow all the same values and rules as those who are watching your every move and click?...


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Message 1424615 - Posted: 5 Oct 2013, 16:19:29 UTC - in response to Message 1414852.

And yet still no great public outcry?...

The public outcry is to increase the loss of privacy, so the "bad guys" can be caught before they do the deed. All we have left are cowards.

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Message 1426063 - Posted: 9 Oct 2013, 9:34:37 UTC

I don't like quoting the Mail, but in this case I think it is justified.

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All those who praised Snowden and the Guardian may yet have cause to regret their words.

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Message 1426412 - Posted: 10 Oct 2013, 0:28:37 UTC - in response to Message 1424571.

A reminder and wake-up call for all those who believe they have nothing to hide?



Morocco teens held for kissing photo on Facebook

A Moroccan teenage boy and girl have been arrested for posting an online photograph of themselves kissing. The couple - aged 14 and 15 - had their picture taken by a friend outside their school in the north-eastern town of Nador...

They were held for violating public decency...



Do you hold and follow all the same values and rules as those who are watching your every move and click?...


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The good news is the US did not have the internet a century ago because even adults would have been arrested for kissing in public as a violation of decency. If just kids they might also risk reform school have they were showing moral turpitude. People love to say the middle east is behind the west. Few realize how little behind. Appear in public without a head covering of some sort? 60 years ago. Want to see the exact same head covering rules today? US military. Yes there is a difference in style but not in concept.


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Message 1426418 - Posted: 10 Oct 2013, 0:36:42 UTC - in response to Message 1414852.

Try if you can to imagine a world without privacy.

Noone can lead a life so perfect and so aware of cultural norms as to not fall victim to straying away from the cultural values assumed and imposed by others.

Or worse, it is impossible to always be 'correct' for the conflicting random arbitrary 'interpretations' made by whatever different groups of vigilantes, or religious groups, or political groups, or whoever else.


And yet:




Revealed: how US and UK spy agencies defeat internet privacy and security

• NSA and GCHQ unlock encryption used to protect emails, banking and medical records
• $250m-a-year US program works covertly with tech companies to insert weaknesses into products
• Security experts say programs 'undermine the fabric of the internet'



And yet still no great public outcry?...


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It's really our fault (the collective)...Americans are too busy watching Pawn Stars, Honey BooBoo and the Kardashians to have any inkling about their loss of privacy.

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Message 1426524 - Posted: 10 Oct 2013, 6:13:23 UTC - in response to Message 1426063.

I don't like quoting the Mail, but in this case I think it is justified.

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All those who praised Snowden and the Guardian may yet have cause to regret their words.


Blanket surveillance is always a difficult call. Even in the old days automation was a challenge. It centered on computers recognizing words like bomb which was a real challenge with it started as was voice only. Email made it infinitely easier. PGP has been around since the late 1980s. How many use it?

That said seems to me it could all be solved very simply. Define terrorism as 9/11 type activities. Strictly limit the use of anything uncovered solely to use is cases of legally defined terrorism. That means only an Al Qaeda plot to assassinate the president would count. A long gunman Oswald type could not be revealed.

The idea is sound. Who will go along with not stopping the next Lee Harvey Oswald? But no surveillance means neither Al Qaeda nor Oswald is stopped. Which do you choose?

Now if you choose to stop the next Oswald where do you draw the line? Members of Congress? Damned right any law will include Congress. Government employees? Remember the Navy Yard shootings a couple weeks ago? I worked for the targeted organization for 18 years. Damned right I want it included. Who do you work for?

Everyone wants the benefits of it but so do potential perps. So where are there to be limits? Danger to live and property? What crime is not?

It is all down to do it or not but if you do it there is no way to draw a line as to what is done.

But lets be serious. The Soviet Union ran a quite fine horrible example of what a government should not be without any internet surveillance at all. it is difficult to imagine it being any worse. And it was communication which brought it down.

The issue is the kind of government. With or without surveillance a totalitarian government can arise and take over. In any totalitarian government at least 10% is spying on the rest because they believe in that kind of government. That is more effective than any internet surveillance can ever be.
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Message 1426584 - Posted: 10 Oct 2013, 12:18:00 UTC

Now PM Cameron Supports MI5

PM supports MI5

So does DPM Clegg

Clegg support

But the most brilliant thing so far is the Mail attacking the Guardian over it!!! Both papers are the pits, Mail readers have 2 brain cells, Guardian readers are ex Mail readers with 3 brain cells. Bring it on ....... :-)

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Message 1426591 - Posted: 10 Oct 2013, 12:39:24 UTC - in response to Message 1426584.

Now PM Cameron Supports MI5

PM supports MI5
Is there nothing the Mail won't twist into attacking the BBC?

So does DPM Clegg

Clegg support

But the most brilliant thing so far is the Mail attacking the Guardian over it!!! Both papers are the pits, Mail readers have 2 brain cells, Guardian readers are ex Mail readers with 3 brain cells. Bring it on ....... :-)

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Message 1426653 - Posted: 10 Oct 2013, 16:22:12 UTC

“The average newspaper, especially of the better sort, has the intelligence of a hillbilly evangelist, the courage of a rat, the fairness of a prohibitionist boob-jumper, the information of a high school janitor, the taste of a designer of celluloid valentines, and the honor of a police-station lawyer.”
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Doesn't say much for the rest.

The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country;

The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country;

Yes Minister had it half right. The Grauniad is read by people who see a sign in Kensington saying "This way to the creche" and think there has been a car accident. The Mail is read by a lot of old women, 90% of them men!

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Message 1427031 - Posted: 11 Oct 2013, 10:15:02 UTC

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Message 1432893 - Posted: 24 Oct 2013, 23:17:15 UTC

For just one example of how one country views online comment:


Beyond the Great Firewall: China's global censorship campaign

Web blocks, DoS, phishing the price hacks pay for negative China stories

China’s fearsome censorship apparatus is increasingly expanding beyond the confines of the Great Firewall to influence media outside its borders, often by online attack...

... China's efforts can be split into four distinct areas: direct action from Chinese officials to prevent negative articles being published and punishing media owners that disobey; economic ‘carrots’ and ‘sticks’ to induce self-censorship; indirect pressure by advertisers, foreign governments and others; cyber attacks and physical assault.

The report claimed that different strategies are used for different geographies and situations. ...




Apply that to 'offline' comment also? Are you sure that isn't already happening??...


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Message 1432963 - Posted: 25 Oct 2013, 0:51:24 UTC - in response to Message 1432893.

Apply that to 'offline' comment also? Are you sure that isn't already happening??...

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