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Message 1405517 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 12:34:02 UTC
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We've so far had two email services in effect closed down by the NSA...

Now a very prominent site has been forced to close:


Groklaw legal site shuts over fears of NSA email snooping

Pamela Jones shuts award-winning site, saying concerns that messages could be read mean that 'there is now no shield from forced exposure'

The award-winning legal analysis site Groklaw is shutting because its founder says that "there is no way" to continue to run it without using secure email - and that the threat of NSA spying means that could be compromised. ...

... "the simple truth is, no matter how good the motives might be for collecting and screening everything we say to one another, and no matter how "clean" we all are ourselves from the standpont of the screeners, I don't know how to function in such an atmosphere. I don't know how to do Groklaw like this," she writes. ...



Surveillance concerns bring an end to crusading site Groklaw

A legally-informed Web site critical of lawsuits from the SCO Group, Apple, Oracle, and patent trolls shuts down because its founder says e-mail can't be protected from government scrutiny. ...

... Citing concerns about privacy and government surveillance, Pamela Jones is shutting down her site Groklaw that for years took on what she and vocal fans saw as wrongheaded legal action...



Note that without any privacy, and without the freedom to freely question, we are all open to being exploited and abused...


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Message 1405532 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 12:53:10 UTC
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Message 1405568 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 15:07:33 UTC

What part of 1984 don't you understand?


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Message 1405587 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 18:40:05 UTC

Groklaw is the personal creation of Jones, and it publishes articles (both news and opinion) from a self-described pro-FOSS, anti-FUD perspective. While articles meticulously follow SCO's litigation activities, they are accompanied by reader-submitted comments that are "overwhelmingly pro-Linux and anti-SCO.

Jones is widely respected by journalists and people inside the Linux community. Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols wrote, "Jones has made her reputation as a top legal IT reporter from her work detailing the defects with SCO's case against IBM and Linux. Indeed, it is no exaggeration to say that her work has contributed enormously to everyone's coverage of SCO's cases."

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Message 1407365 - Posted: 24 Aug 2013, 17:28:01 UTC
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And now, looks like also the newspapers are being threatened and hounded to force their silence:


Guardian teams up with New York Times for future Snowden GCHQ coverage

Faced with a mounting backlash from UK authorities, The Guardian newspaper has announced that it will collaborate with The New York Times to release further documents detailing the activities of the UK's Government Communications Headquarters...

... The move comes after CCHQ agents reportedly smashed up hard drives and computers belonging to Guardian staffers... In a separate incident, the Metropolitan Police detained David Michael Miranda, the partner of Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, for nearly nine hours in Heathrow Airport, citing the Terrorism Act. Miranda's mobile phone, his laptop, and several memory sticks were seized, and Miranda was reportedly compelled to turn over passwords that gave police access to computer and mobile phone...

... By partnering with a US newspaper to release UK-related documents, however, The Guardian hopes to gain the advantage of the strong free-speech protections afforded by the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

In particular, US courts have held that "prior restraint" – the suppression of speech before the speech has actually taken place – is unconstitutional except where such speech might have serious consequences for national security. Information regarding UK government policies, however classified, is unlikely to meet that standard in the US...




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Message 1407402 - Posted: 24 Aug 2013, 19:18:11 UTC

Both the Guardian and the New York Times are known as strong Left Wing newspapers, so not surprising that they have teamed up together.

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Message 1407443 - Posted: 24 Aug 2013, 21:06:04 UTC - in response to Message 1407365.

By partnering with a US newspaper to release UK-related documents, however, The Guardian hopes to gain the advantage of the strong free-speech protections afforded by the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

I remember being berated by the UK's posters here for saying the same, using Mr. Churchill, "The United States is a land of free speech. Nowhere is speech freer — not even here where we sedulously cultivate it even in its most repulsive form." Seems now the UK'ers are understanding that is true. It is why Assange isn't a wanted man in the USA.

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Message 1407453 - Posted: 24 Aug 2013, 21:27:17 UTC

The Guardian is read by pseudo intellectuals who think they ought to run the country, and tut tut over their muesli at the latest news not to their liking, whilst looking over their shoulder for big brother. The fact that they now have to publish in the USA, should be taken as a big hint that they are not wanted in the UK. Ever read Tropic of Ruislip?

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Message 1407457 - Posted: 24 Aug 2013, 21:41:21 UTC - in response to Message 1407453.

The fact that they now have to publish in the USA, should be taken as a big hint that they are not wanted in the UK.

Deciding what is right and proper; what's next? An appeal to natural law?

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Message 1407486 - Posted: 25 Aug 2013, 1:03:54 UTC - in response to Message 1407453.

The Guardian is read by pseudo intellectuals who think they ought to run the country, and tut tut over their muesli at the latest news not to their liking, whilst looking over their shoulder for big brother. The fact that they now have to publish in the USA, should be taken as a big hint that they are not wanted in the UK. Ever read Tropic of Ruislip?

You do like those stereotypes don't you?

The "Yes, Minister" quote was:

The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country. The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country. The Times is read by the people who actually do run the country. The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country. The Financial Times is read by people who own the country. The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country. And The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think that it already is.

BTW the NYT is not a "strong left wing paper", Britannica calls it the "newspaper of record in the United States". Some may regard the NYT as left wing, though "strong left" is not deserved by it.

As I recall The Guardian is the newspaper that uncovered police bribery by journalists from News International as part of their investigation into those same journalists' phone hacking activities.
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Message 1407552 - Posted: 25 Aug 2013, 8:19:24 UTC

I though that would bring you lot scurrying of of the woodwork, glad to see that I'm not disappointed. That opinion of mine was indeed taken partly from the Yes Minster show, and embellised by my own observations over many years. No I don't love these stereotypes, but they do so obviously exist and they themselves can't see it. Left and strong left is simply a matter of degree, but both papers have a common Raison d'être, which is why they have joined forces.

The Telegraph, Observer, and the Mirror also reported various hacking claims, but the Guardian was in the forefront of it, which resulted in the Leveson enquiry. My observation that they are not wanted in the UK was based on the establishments reaction to them threatening to publish state secrets. That seems to me to be a clear indication that if they choose to take that course of action, they wouldn't be allowed to do it in the UK.

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Message 1407587 - Posted: 25 Aug 2013, 12:00:39 UTC - in response to Message 1407443.
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... why Assange isn't a wanted man in the USA.

REALLY?!

The whole reason he has been imprisoned for over a year in London is due to the farcical requests for him to be taken to Sweden(?) without charge merely for 'questioning' and the very real expectation that the USA will hijack him from their or somewhere en-route...


Go against the 'establishment' or merely cause a little embarrassment and it appears the laws are vague enough to be interpreted any way that is convenient. However for Edward Snowdon for the tricks perpetrated against him, it appears the USA are not bound by any laws in any case...


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Message 1407603 - Posted: 25 Aug 2013, 14:19:53 UTC - in response to Message 1407587.

... why Assange isn't a wanted man in the USA.

REALLY?!

The whole reason he has been imprisoned for over a year in London is due to the farcical requests for him to be taken to Sweden(?) without charge merely for 'questioning' and the very real expectation that the USA will hijack him from their or somewhere en-route...

That's the claim, one that the Swedish authorities have denied. As for farcical, if there's a farce, it seems from this recounting of events, Assange is the one that turned it into one.

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Message 1407608 - Posted: 25 Aug 2013, 14:34:18 UTC - in response to Message 1407552.

My observation that they are not wanted in the UK was based on the establishments reaction to them threatening to publish state secrets. That seems to me to be a clear indication that if they choose to take that course of action, they wouldn't be allowed to do it in the UK.

Not everybody in the UK assumes that the all establishment actions are justified. While you may care little about government intrusions into your private matters, there are others that do. The Guardian is likely wanted by them.

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Message 1407617 - Posted: 25 Aug 2013, 14:54:51 UTC

there are others that do. The Guardian is likely wanted by them.

Oh yes, "them". AKA the large numbers of people who are basically iffy and dodgy and would rather not be found out.





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Message 1407618 - Posted: 25 Aug 2013, 14:58:15 UTC - in response to Message 1407617.

there are others that do. The Guardian is likely wanted by them.

Oh yes, "them". AKA the large numbers of people who are basically iffy and dodgy and would rather not be found out.


Get your pills ready...totally agree.....

Greedy Bankers, Thieving MP's, Dodgy Journalists, corrupt snivel serpents, tax evading corporations......
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Message 1407663 - Posted: 25 Aug 2013, 19:16:29 UTC - in response to Message 1407587.

... why Assange isn't a wanted man in the USA.

REALLY?!

The whole reason he has been imprisoned

I believe it is called a publicity stunt.

Of course, it is a bit hard to call a press conference if you are serving 2 to 4 years in a prison cell, and upon release are deported back to you home country with a record as a sex offender so you can't get visas to travel any more. For a unemployed homeless Lothario I could see that as a bit of a problem.

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Message 1407686 - Posted: 25 Aug 2013, 20:44:13 UTC - in response to Message 1407663.

... why Assange isn't a wanted man in the USA.

REALLY?!

The whole reason he has been imprisoned

I believe it is called a publicity stunt.

Of course, it is a bit hard to call a press conference if you are serving 2 to 4 years in a prison cell, and upon release are deported back to you home country with a record as a sex offender so you can't get visas to travel any more. For a unemployed homeless Lothario I could see that as a bit of a problem.

All the more hard when there is no evidence of any sex offense...


All a convenient setup to have him effectively imprisoned in any case? That is a very strange "publicity stunt"...


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Message 1407704 - Posted: 25 Aug 2013, 21:44:50 UTC - in response to Message 1407686.

... why Assange isn't a wanted man in the USA.

REALLY?!

The whole reason he has been imprisoned

I believe it is called a publicity stunt.

Of course, it is a bit hard to call a press conference if you are serving 2 to 4 years in a prison cell, and upon release are deported back to you home country with a record as a sex offender so you can't get visas to travel any more. For a unemployed homeless Lothario I could see that as a bit of a problem.

All the more hard when there is no evidence of any sex offense...

But there is. At least enough for the prosecutor to want him arrested for a formal interrogation, the immediate step before issuance of a trial date.

Your problem is that you don't believe it is evidence, that is for a jury to decide.

Your problem is you don't understand the Swedish Criminal Justice system. It is a mix of French Common Law, where judges investigate, and English Common Law where judges try cases investigated by prosecutors.

Think of it more this way, the formal questioning would be like him being compelled to appear in front of a Grand Jury, who as soon as they finish asking him questions votes an indictment.

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Message 1411188 - Posted: 3 Sep 2013, 22:49:04 UTC

So the innocent have nothing to fear? After David Miranda we now know where this leads...

You've had your fun: now we want the stuff back. With these words the British government embarked on the most bizarre act of state censorship of the internet age...


Be very afraid?...

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