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Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
UK still the US lapdog: Glenn Greenwald's partner detained at Heathrow airport for nine hours Reality Internet Personality |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Disgusting! "David's detention was unlawful and inexcusable. He was detained under a law that violates any principle of fairness and his detention shows how the law can be abused for petty, vindictive reasons". Hmmmn, I'd better be careful at Dover & Felixstowe then. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
A fuss about a small incident. The Guardian would support one of its own wouldn't it? Not worth a thread on it's own. ...and your thoughts on the "small" incident had it been you detained? |
Bill Walker Send message Joined: 4 Sep 99 Posts: 3868 Credit: 2,697,267 RAC: 0 |
So you are saying that abuse of the law resulting in an unlawful detention of an innocent person on purely political grounds is a small incident? Historically, it is exactly this sort of thing that leads to revolutions. Abuse of the law is abuse of the law. How far would you or I get detaining people because we were pissed off about something? To be fair, I don't understand the finer workings of UK law. The people responsible for this event should be given the benefit of the doubt, and given their day in court to explain their actions. The courts should also be deciding if it is in the public interest to allow the accused to wander the streets while awaiting their day in court, or if we are all safer with the individuals locked up. If you are saying that the event was not an abuse of the law, there are slander laws that can be used to prevent people from making untrue accusations. Has the UK government taken any such action yet? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
The entire intent of this stop was to get all the data on all the devices he was carrying. Cross a border and everything is subject to inspection, even your poop. I'm sure they held him as long as they could while they were furiously looking through the data to see if there was anything to charge him with. When time ran out they let him go. Doesn't mean they won't find something in the next coming days and weeks. This is really pretty SOP when you present yourself to customs to enter any country. Most of the time they just collect the duties and wave you through. But, if they think you went on a sex tour in countries with underage prostitutes, all your electronics will be given a careful look to see if you were stupid enough to have taken a photo proving your guilt. Same if they think you might be laundering money or working in the drug trade. They just extended this to terrorism. BFD. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
The entire intent of this stop was to get all the data on all the devices he was carrying. Cross a border and everything is subject to inspection, even your poop. I'm sure they held him as long as they could while they were furiously looking through the data to see if there was anything to charge him with. When time ran out they let him go. Doesn't mean they won't find something in the next coming days and weeks. I think you got that backwards. They extended terrorism to mean being a journalist. The guy isn't a terroist. Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
The 28-year-old was held for nine hours, the maximum the law allows before officers must release or formally arrest the individual New blood? Was I gone so long that you forgot who I am? I was busy, plus I needed a break from the rabid teaparty taliban here. It was making me lose my faith in humanity. ;) Reality Internet Personality |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
The guy isn't a terroist. Of course not, he is just a messenger for one ... |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
From an alternative news source UK ordered Guardian to destroy hard drives in effort to stop Snowden revelations |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
The guy isn't a terroist. Snowden is not a terrorist, Traitor maybe. [/quote] Old James |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
From an alternative news source UK ordered Guardian to destroy hard drives in effort to stop Snowden revelations Quote from Hev's attachment above.. After more talks, two "security experts" from GCHQ - the British version of the National Security Agency - visited the Guardian’s London offices. Should read, "British equivalent"...since GCHQ was formed in November 1919 and the National Security Agency was not formed until 1949. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
UK still the US lapdog: Try, "Bulldog", for there's no Poodle in us.... The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Wonder how much Snowden material is UK secret that was shared with the NSA? I'm sure we have given the UK a list of files he downloaded ... |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
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Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Wonder how much Snowden material is UK secret that was shared with the NSA? I'm sure we have given the UK a list of files he downloaded ... Will we ever know? This is more than an irritating flea on Americas back so thank-goud the UK's involved and not the French. You'd only get your files back off that lot once money had crossed hands first. America knows who's it's best friend is even if some state, "we have to sleep in the dog's basket though". The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
John Neale Send message Joined: 16 Mar 00 Posts: 634 Credit: 7,246,513 RAC: 9 |
The whole thing Miranda underwent was probably because it was thought that as Snowdens partner, he may have known as much as Snowden did about anything, and they wanted to find out if their suspicions were true. David Miranda is not the partner of Edward Snowden, but of Glenn Greenwald, a Guardian journalist. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
The whole thing Miranda underwent was probably because it was thought that as Snowdens partner, he may have known as much as Snowden did about anything, and they wanted to find out if their suspicions were true. Yes, a not a journalist, who was highly likely to be in possession of state secrets and preparing to pass them on to the terrorist enemy via publication. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
My apologies everyone, I got the names wrong as you have all kindly pointed out. But my amended assertion remains cogent nevertheless. So with no "hard evidence" whatsoever, this country's Police Officers who are there to Uphold the law are now Law Enforcement Officers? |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
So with no "hard evidence" whatsoever, this country's Police Officers who are there to Uphold the law are now Law Enforcement Officers? I don't see what you're getting at. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Refreshing to see someone speaking their mind and not worried about political correctness. With regards to the UKIP, their open, aggressive in opinion and have a healthy following something that worries the mainstream parties very much. If they survive long enough they will eventually change the face of politics in the UK, the latter I believe has already started. I listened to the LBC phone-in programme last week regarding the quoted Employment law and the programmes presenter summed-up quite succinctly at the end, "Well, I think it's pretty unanimous that this law is working against small businesses". The same conclusion that I drew listening to all those who rang in to this radio programme. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
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