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Message 1405152 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 18:20:24 UTC

UK still the US lapdog:

Glenn Greenwald's partner detained at Heathrow airport for nine hours
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Message 1405162 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 18:45:52 UTC

Disgusting!

"David's detention was unlawful and inexcusable. He was detained under a law that violates any principle of fairness and his detention shows how the law can be abused for petty, vindictive reasons".

Hmmmn, I'd better be careful at Dover & Felixstowe then.
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Message 1405171 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 19:07:10 UTC

A fuss about a small incident. The Guardian would support one of its own wouldn't it? Not worth a thread on it's own.

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Message 1405199 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 19:35:41 UTC - in response to Message 1405171.

A fuss about a small incident. The Guardian would support one of its own wouldn't it? Not worth a thread on it's own.



...and your thoughts on the "small" incident had it been you detained?
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Message 1405205 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 19:40:26 UTC

So you are saying that abuse of the law resulting in an unlawful detention of an innocent person on purely political grounds is a small incident? Historically, it is exactly this sort of thing that leads to revolutions.

Abuse of the law is abuse of the law. How far would you or I get detaining people because we were pissed off about something?

To be fair, I don't understand the finer workings of UK law. The people responsible for this event should be given the benefit of the doubt, and given their day in court to explain their actions. The courts should also be deciding if it is in the public interest to allow the accused to wander the streets while awaiting their day in court, or if we are all safer with the individuals locked up.

If you are saying that the event was not an abuse of the law, there are slander laws that can be used to prevent people from making untrue accusations. Has the UK government taken any such action yet?
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Message 1405210 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 19:46:14 UTC

The 28-year-old was held for nine hours, the maximum the law allows before officers must release or formally arrest the individual

Welcome back Es, you certainly stirred up a hornets nest with this one! Good for you I say, we need some new blood around here.

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Message 1405255 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 21:03:16 UTC

The entire intent of this stop was to get all the data on all the devices he was carrying. Cross a border and everything is subject to inspection, even your poop. I'm sure they held him as long as they could while they were furiously looking through the data to see if there was anything to charge him with. When time ran out they let him go. Doesn't mean they won't find something in the next coming days and weeks.

This is really pretty SOP when you present yourself to customs to enter any country. Most of the time they just collect the duties and wave you through. But, if they think you went on a sex tour in countries with underage prostitutes, all your electronics will be given a careful look to see if you were stupid enough to have taken a photo proving your guilt. Same if they think you might be laundering money or working in the drug trade. They just extended this to terrorism. BFD.


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Message 1405303 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 1:19:32 UTC - in response to Message 1405255.

The entire intent of this stop was to get all the data on all the devices he was carrying. Cross a border and everything is subject to inspection, even your poop. I'm sure they held him as long as they could while they were furiously looking through the data to see if there was anything to charge him with. When time ran out they let him go. Doesn't mean they won't find something in the next coming days and weeks.

This is really pretty SOP when you present yourself to customs to enter any country. Most of the time they just collect the duties and wave you through. But, if they think you went on a sex tour in countries with underage prostitutes, all your electronics will be given a careful look to see if you were stupid enough to have taken a photo proving your guilt. Same if they think you might be laundering money or working in the drug trade. They just extended this to terrorism. BFD.


I think you got that backwards. They extended terrorism to mean being a journalist.

The guy isn't a terroist.
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Message 1405306 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 1:31:25 UTC - in response to Message 1405210.

The 28-year-old was held for nine hours, the maximum the law allows before officers must release or formally arrest the individual

Welcome back Es, you certainly stirred up a hornets nest with this one! Good for you I say, we need some new blood around here.


New blood? Was I gone so long that you forgot who I am?

I was busy, plus I needed a break from the rabid teaparty taliban here. It was making me lose my faith in humanity. ;)
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Message 1405365 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 4:21:04 UTC - in response to Message 1405303.

The guy isn't a terroist.

Of course not, he is just a messenger for one ...

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Message 1405393 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 5:36:18 UTC

The new body scanners are so well hidden and fast that airport employees don't even know that they're there.
They knew he wasn't trying to hide anything otherwise he would have been subjected to a cavity search.
Depending on how you define terrorism an argument could be made that Fox News is a terrorist organization trying to bring down the American Government.
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Message 1405402 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 6:12:54 UTC

From an alternative news source UK ordered Guardian to destroy hard drives in effort to stop Snowden revelations

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Message 1405417 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 6:54:45 UTC - in response to Message 1405365.

The guy isn't a terroist.

Of course not, he is just a messenger for one ...

Snowden is not a terrorist, Traitor maybe.
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Message 1405421 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 6:58:47 UTC - in response to Message 1405402.

From an alternative news source UK ordered Guardian to destroy hard drives in effort to stop Snowden revelations

Quote from Hev's attachment above..
After more talks, two "security experts" from GCHQ - the British version of the National Security Agency - visited the Guardian’s London offices.

Should read, "British equivalent"...since GCHQ was formed in November 1919 and
the National Security Agency was not formed until 1949.


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Message 1405430 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 7:25:35 UTC - in response to Message 1405152.

UK still the US lapdog:

Glenn Greenwald's partner detained at Heathrow airport for nine hours

Try, "Bulldog", for there's no Poodle in us....


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Message 1405439 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 7:44:34 UTC - in response to Message 1405430.

UK still the US lapdog:

Glenn Greenwald's partner detained at Heathrow airport for nine hours

Try, "Bulldog", for there's no Poodle in us....

"Lapdogs were also used in earlier times to attract fleas away from their owners."...Wikipedia.
I've seen many Chihuahuas that thought they were Dobermans.



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Message 1405476 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 9:58:06 UTC

New blood? Was I gone so long that you forgot who I am?

It did seem that you were away for some while yes, but we never forgot you. The reason for your break was a very valid one. OK, how about "a fresh viewpoint" then, happy with that one ;-))

@Hev - welcome back to you too, another fresh view which has been missed ;-)

A quote from that Guardian article.

The editor promised that the Guardian will “continue to do patient, painstaking reporting on the Snowden documents, we just won’t do it in London. The seizure of Miranda’s laptop, phones, hard drives and camera will similarly have no effect on Greenwald’s work.” Another US security source told Reuters that Miranda’s detention was meant to send a message to those who received Snowden’s classified documents, about how serious the UK is in closing all the leaks in relation to the whistleblower’s revelations.

Ok, you'll get nobbled somewhere else then.

Greenwald, who first published secrets leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, responded by promising to release more documents. He added that the UK would be “sorry” for detaining his partner for nine hours.

Ooooh scratch your eyes out sweetie.

Should read, "British equivalent"...since GCHQ was formed in November 1919 and the National Security Agency was not formed until 1949.

Extra info - The Government Code & Cypher School was formed in 1919 by amalgamating MI1b and NID25. It was at Bletchley Park During WWII, and was renamed GCHQ after the war in 1946 when it moved to Cheltenham. The Armed Forces Security Agency (AFSA) was created in 1949, and renamed the NSA in 1951.

Brief background

Snowden is an American computer specialist who worked for the CIA and the NSA and leaked details of several top-secret United States and British government mass surveillance programs to the press. Based on information Snowden leaked to The Guardian in 2013 while employed at NSA contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, the British newspaper published a series of exposés that revealed programs such as the interception of U.S. and European telephone metadata and the PRISM, XKeyscore, and Tempora Internet surveillance programs.

On June 14, 2013, United States federal prosecutors charged Snowden with espionage and theft of government property. Snowden had left the United States prior to the publication of his disclosures, first to Hong Kong and then to Russia, where he received temporary asylum and now resides in an undisclosed location.

Snowden has been a subject of controversy: he has been variously called a hero, a whistleblower, a dissident, a traitor, and a patriot. Snowden has defended his leaks as an effort "to inform the public as to that which is done in their name and that which is done against them." Some U.S. officials condemned his actions as having done "grave damage" to the U.S. intelligence capabilities while others, such as former president Jimmy Carter, have applauded his actions

50% seem to think that Snowden did good, 50% think he did bad. Is anyone surprised?

Because of the special relationship between the UK and the USA, obviously the NSA & GCHQ, MI6 & CIA, MI5 & FBI, work closely together. Is anyone surprised?

Of course the Guardian would make a fuss about one of it's own reporters. Is anyone surprised?

The paper's readership is generally on the mainstream left of British political opinion: a MORI poll taken between April and June 2000 showed that 80% of Guardian readers were Labour Party voters. In Polly Toynbee land, the bourgeois still believe they are out to get them. Is anyone surprised?




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Message 1405570 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 15:09:22 UTC

Wonder how much Snowden material is UK secret that was shared with the NSA? I'm sure we have given the UK a list of files he downloaded ...

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Message 1405853 - Posted: 21 Aug 2013, 7:27:06 UTC

Meanwhile I'm innocent, I have nothing to hide so I'll be ok.

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Message 1405854 - Posted: 21 Aug 2013, 7:28:03 UTC - in response to Message 1405570.

Wonder how much Snowden material is UK secret that was shared with the NSA? I'm sure we have given the UK a list of files he downloaded ...

Will we ever know? This is more than an irritating flea on Americas back
so thank-goud the UK's involved and not the French. You'd only get your files
back off that lot once money had crossed hands first. America knows who's it's
best friend is even if some state, "we have to sleep in the dog's basket though".


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