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Message 1405152 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 18:20:24 UTC

UK still the US lapdog:

Glenn Greenwald's partner detained at Heathrow airport for nine hours
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Message 1405162 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 18:45:52 UTC

Disgusting!

"David's detention was unlawful and inexcusable. He was detained under a law that violates any principle of fairness and his detention shows how the law can be abused for petty, vindictive reasons".

Hmmmn, I'd better be careful at Dover & Felixstowe then.
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Message 1405199 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 19:35:41 UTC - in response to Message 1405171.  

A fuss about a small incident. The Guardian would support one of its own wouldn't it? Not worth a thread on it's own.



...and your thoughts on the "small" incident had it been you detained?
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Message 1405205 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 19:40:26 UTC

So you are saying that abuse of the law resulting in an unlawful detention of an innocent person on purely political grounds is a small incident? Historically, it is exactly this sort of thing that leads to revolutions.

Abuse of the law is abuse of the law. How far would you or I get detaining people because we were pissed off about something?

To be fair, I don't understand the finer workings of UK law. The people responsible for this event should be given the benefit of the doubt, and given their day in court to explain their actions. The courts should also be deciding if it is in the public interest to allow the accused to wander the streets while awaiting their day in court, or if we are all safer with the individuals locked up.

If you are saying that the event was not an abuse of the law, there are slander laws that can be used to prevent people from making untrue accusations. Has the UK government taken any such action yet?

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Message 1405255 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 21:03:16 UTC

The entire intent of this stop was to get all the data on all the devices he was carrying. Cross a border and everything is subject to inspection, even your poop. I'm sure they held him as long as they could while they were furiously looking through the data to see if there was anything to charge him with. When time ran out they let him go. Doesn't mean they won't find something in the next coming days and weeks.

This is really pretty SOP when you present yourself to customs to enter any country. Most of the time they just collect the duties and wave you through. But, if they think you went on a sex tour in countries with underage prostitutes, all your electronics will be given a careful look to see if you were stupid enough to have taken a photo proving your guilt. Same if they think you might be laundering money or working in the drug trade. They just extended this to terrorism. BFD.


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Message 1405303 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 1:19:32 UTC - in response to Message 1405255.  

The entire intent of this stop was to get all the data on all the devices he was carrying. Cross a border and everything is subject to inspection, even your poop. I'm sure they held him as long as they could while they were furiously looking through the data to see if there was anything to charge him with. When time ran out they let him go. Doesn't mean they won't find something in the next coming days and weeks.

This is really pretty SOP when you present yourself to customs to enter any country. Most of the time they just collect the duties and wave you through. But, if they think you went on a sex tour in countries with underage prostitutes, all your electronics will be given a careful look to see if you were stupid enough to have taken a photo proving your guilt. Same if they think you might be laundering money or working in the drug trade. They just extended this to terrorism. BFD.


I think you got that backwards. They extended terrorism to mean being a journalist.

The guy isn't a terroist.
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Message 1405306 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 1:31:25 UTC - in response to Message 1405210.  

The 28-year-old was held for nine hours, the maximum the law allows before officers must release or formally arrest the individual

Welcome back Es, you certainly stirred up a hornets nest with this one! Good for you I say, we need some new blood around here.


New blood? Was I gone so long that you forgot who I am?

I was busy, plus I needed a break from the rabid teaparty taliban here. It was making me lose my faith in humanity. ;)
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Message 1405365 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 4:21:04 UTC - in response to Message 1405303.  

The guy isn't a terroist.

Of course not, he is just a messenger for one ...

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Message 1405402 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 6:12:54 UTC

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Message 1405417 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 6:54:45 UTC - in response to Message 1405365.  

The guy isn't a terroist.

Of course not, he is just a messenger for one ...

Snowden is not a terrorist, Traitor maybe.
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Message 1405421 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 6:58:47 UTC - in response to Message 1405402.  

From an alternative news source UK ordered Guardian to destroy hard drives in effort to stop Snowden revelations

Quote from Hev's attachment above..
After more talks, two "security experts" from GCHQ - the British version of the National Security Agency - visited the Guardian’s London offices.

Should read, "British equivalent"...since GCHQ was formed in November 1919 and
the National Security Agency was not formed until 1949.


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Message 1405430 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 7:25:35 UTC - in response to Message 1405152.  

UK still the US lapdog:

Glenn Greenwald's partner detained at Heathrow airport for nine hours

Try, "Bulldog", for there's no Poodle in us....


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Message 1405570 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 15:09:22 UTC

Wonder how much Snowden material is UK secret that was shared with the NSA? I'm sure we have given the UK a list of files he downloaded ...

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Message 1405853 - Posted: 21 Aug 2013, 7:27:06 UTC

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Message 1405854 - Posted: 21 Aug 2013, 7:28:03 UTC - in response to Message 1405570.  

Wonder how much Snowden material is UK secret that was shared with the NSA? I'm sure we have given the UK a list of files he downloaded ...

Will we ever know? This is more than an irritating flea on Americas back
so thank-goud the UK's involved and not the French. You'd only get your files
back off that lot once money had crossed hands first. America knows who's it's
best friend is even if some state, "we have to sleep in the dog's basket though".


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Message 1406020 - Posted: 21 Aug 2013, 16:16:17 UTC - in response to Message 1405869.  

The whole thing Miranda underwent was probably because it was thought that as Snowdens partner, he may have known as much as Snowden did about anything, and they wanted to find out if their suspicions were true.

David Miranda is not the partner of Edward Snowden, but of Glenn Greenwald, a Guardian journalist.
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Message 1406023 - Posted: 21 Aug 2013, 16:36:17 UTC - in response to Message 1406020.  

The whole thing Miranda underwent was probably because it was thought that as Snowdens partner, he may have known as much as Snowden did about anything, and they wanted to find out if their suspicions were true.

David Miranda is not the partner of Edward Snowden, but of Glenn Greenwald, a Guardian journalist.

Yes, a not a journalist, who was highly likely to be in possession of state secrets and preparing to pass them on to the terrorist enemy via publication.

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Message 1406086 - Posted: 21 Aug 2013, 18:51:25 UTC - in response to Message 1406084.  

My apologies everyone, I got the names wrong as you have all kindly pointed out. But my amended assertion remains cogent nevertheless.

"The whole thing Miranda underwent was probably because it was thought that as Greenwalds partner, he may have known as much as Greenwald did about anything, and they wanted to find out if their suspicions were true."

Sorry folks.



So with no "hard evidence" whatsoever, this country's Police Officers who are there to Uphold the law are now Law Enforcement Officers?
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Message 1406356 - Posted: 22 Aug 2013, 9:08:23 UTC - in response to Message 1406086.  

So with no "hard evidence" whatsoever, this country's Police Officers who are there to Uphold the law are now Law Enforcement Officers?

I don't see what you're getting at.

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Message 1406374 - Posted: 22 Aug 2013, 9:59:15 UTC

Refreshing to see someone speaking their mind and not worried about political
correctness. With regards to the UKIP, their open, aggressive in opinion and
have a healthy following something that worries the mainstream parties very much.
If they survive long enough they will eventually change the face of politics in
the UK, the latter I believe has already started.

I listened to the LBC phone-in programme last week regarding the quoted
Employment law and the programmes presenter summed-up quite succinctly at the
end, "Well, I think it's pretty unanimous that this law is working against small
businesses". The same conclusion that I drew listening to all those who rang in
to this radio programme.

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