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Message 1404997 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 11:42:41 UTC

When we see pictures of the U.S. Founding Fathers they are usually shown as older mature men.

Would it change your view of them and the Declaration of Independence, and other associated papers, if you found out that some of them were actually young men with very little experience?

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Message 1405011 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 12:41:02 UTC

were actually young men with very little experience


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Message 1405015 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 13:07:17 UTC
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As someone in his 20s, no.

Some were young, some were old, isn't it right that such an important document should have a decent range of signatories?
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Message 1405027 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 13:44:01 UTC

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What was the average life expectancy in 1776?
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Message 1405029 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 13:47:14 UTC

About 65, for anyone who made it to their 5th birthday. The high infant mortality rate skews the average down.
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Message 1405072 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 16:03:51 UTC

Probably between 50 and 55 (extrapolating from data that only goes back to 1850) source
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Message 1405092 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 16:29:56 UTC

5th birthday. The high infant mortality rate skews the average down


In RiverWorld, they did not allow anyone 5 and under to be Resurrected. The Population Numbers would've been Astronomical. Kept RiverWorld at about 35 Billion.

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Message 1405099 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 16:36:38 UTC - in response to Message 1405072.

Probably between 50 and 55 (extrapolating from data that only goes back to 1850) source

Fixed your link http://url=http://mappinghistory.uoregon.edu/english/US/US39-01.html

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Message 1405125 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 17:34:51 UTC - in response to Message 1405011.

were actually young men with very little experience


And They Kicked Brit Ass.

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Message 1405138 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 17:54:10 UTC

I think that these Founding Fathers did the best they could at the time, given the resources and abilities that they had. What they signed up to was relevant and appropriate at the time. But, time moved on, and the original thoughts had to be amended. They didn't get it right first time, that is clear.

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Message 1405157 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 18:29:50 UTC - in response to Message 1405138.

Chris, actually a few of the founders were not all that old. James Madison was 25 at the time of the Declaration of Independence and in his 30's during the crafting of the Constitution as was Alexander Hamilton. That is true for James Monroe as well. Jefferson was in his 30's and 40's during the same time period.

Part of that image of 'mature' possibly had to do with the style of wigs often used.

There were older players as well (Franklin being the most obvious).

They were of course all men, and all 'men of property' -- all were white. Much of that was a function of the era.

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Message 1405198 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 19:34:04 UTC

They were of course all men, and all 'men of property' -- all were white. Much of that was a function of the era.

You could say that it was originally founded upon a while Middle class. Bit of a change to today.

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Message 1405241 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 20:49:53 UTC - in response to Message 1405198.

They were of course all men, and all 'men of property' -- all were white. Much of that was a function of the era.

You could say that it was originally founded upon a while Middle class. Bit of a change to today.

They were not middle class as you would call that today. Bourgeois. Or UPPER middle class.

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Message 1405247 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 20:56:26 UTC - in response to Message 1405241.

yes most were known to be fairly wealthy and stood to make a killing if they left the English behind
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Message 1405407 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 6:27:31 UTC

I think if the UK had eased off the taxes to fight their war with France. After we had asked them numerious time to do. Wed still be apart of the UK. But NO, We were just colonials, The unwashed, Uneducated and disrepected fellow countrymen, Who just came to this country to make a better life.

We just wanted to be loyal citizens, But your attitude for us was what you displayed to many other subjects in your empire, At the time and up to the 20th century, SCREW YOU, We are your masters, live with it.

Now, That is the history we get on this side of the pond. Id like to hear the UK side of the what we call the revolutionary war.

Im not slamming the UK. It just a part of history. Im not proud of the way the U.S, has acted in the past or right now. Just remenber we learned our bad habits from you:)
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Message 1405416 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 6:53:26 UTC - in response to Message 1405407.

I think if the UK had eased off the taxes to fight their war with France. After we had asked them numerious time to do. Wed still be apart of the UK. But NO, We were just colonials, The unwashed, Uneducated and disrepected fellow countrymen, Who just came to this country to make a better life.

We just wanted to be loyal citizens, But your attitude for us was what you displayed to many other subjects in your empire, At the time and up to the 20th century, SCREW YOU, We are your masters, live with it.

Now, That is the history we get on this side of the pond. Id like to hear the UK side of the what we call the revolutionary war.

Im not slamming the UK. It just a part of history. Im not proud of the way the U.S, has acted in the past or right now. Just remenber we learned our bad habits from you:)

I think at that time in the UK, when only the 1 per-centers had the vote, you would have found a largish portion of the UK population would have been on your side.
Only 10 years earlier, had the last English - Scottish battle been fought, Culloden 1746.
And a few years latter the UK ruling classes were quaking in their boots, thinking the great unwashed were going to copy the French. French revolution started 1789.

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Message 1405420 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 6:57:54 UTC - in response to Message 1405416.

I think if the UK had eased off the taxes to fight their war with France. After we had asked them numerious time to do. Wed still be apart of the UK. But NO, We were just colonials, The unwashed, Uneducated and disrepected fellow countrymen, Who just came to this country to make a better life.

We just wanted to be loyal citizens, But your attitude for us was what you displayed to many other subjects in your empire, At the time and up to the 20th century, SCREW YOU, We are your masters, live with it.

Now, That is the history we get on this side of the pond. Id like to hear the UK side of the what we call the revolutionary war.

Im not slamming the UK. It just a part of history. Im not proud of the way the U.S, has acted in the past or right now. Just remenber we learned our bad habits from you:)

I think at that time in the UK, when only the 1 per-centers had the vote, you would have found a largish portion of the UK population would have been on your side.
Only 10 years earlier, had the last English - Scottish battle been fought, Culloden 1746.
And a few years latter the UK ruling classes were quaking in their boots, thinking the great unwashed were going to copy the French. French revolution started 1789.

Yes but we were on your side during our so called French and Indian war.
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Message 1405429 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 7:21:10 UTC - in response to Message 1405420.

I think if the UK had eased off the taxes to fight their war with France. After we had asked them numerious time to do. Wed still be apart of the UK. But NO, We were just colonials, The unwashed, Uneducated and disrepected fellow countrymen, Who just came to this country to make a better life.

We just wanted to be loyal citizens, But your attitude for us was what you displayed to many other subjects in your empire, At the time and up to the 20th century, SCREW YOU, We are your masters, live with it.

Now, That is the history we get on this side of the pond. Id like to hear the UK side of the what we call the revolutionary war.

Im not slamming the UK. It just a part of history. Im not proud of the way the U.S, has acted in the past or right now. Just remenber we learned our bad habits from you:)

I think at that time in the UK, when only the 1 per-centers had the vote, you would have found a largish portion of the UK population would have been on your side.
Only 10 years earlier, had the last English - Scottish battle been fought, Culloden 1746.
And a few years latter the UK ruling classes were quaking in their boots, thinking the great unwashed were going to copy the French. French revolution started 1789.

Yes but we were on your side during our so called French and Indian war.

It's complicated isn't it. Probably a bit of what happened everywhere was because of peoples impatience and that communications were so slow.

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Message 1405447 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 7:55:11 UTC - in response to Message 1405429.

I think if the UK had eased off the taxes to fight their war with France. After we had asked them numerious time to do. Wed still be apart of the UK. But NO, We were just colonials, The unwashed, Uneducated and disrepected fellow countrymen, Who just came to this country to make a better life.

We just wanted to be loyal citizens, But your attitude for us was what you displayed to many other subjects in your empire, At the time and up to the 20th century, SCREW YOU, We are your masters, live with it.

Now, That is the history we get on this side of the pond. Id like to hear the UK side of the what we call the revolutionary war.

Im not slamming the UK. It just a part of history. Im not proud of the way the U.S, has acted in the past or right now. Just remenber we learned our bad habits from you:)

I think at that time in the UK, when only the 1 per-centers had the vote, you would have found a largish portion of the UK population would have been on your side.
Only 10 years earlier, had the last English - Scottish battle been fought, Culloden 1746.
And a few years latter the UK ruling classes were quaking in their boots, thinking the great unwashed were going to copy the French. French revolution started 1789.

Yes but we were on your side during our so called French and Indian war.

It's complicated isn't it. Probably a bit of what happened everywhere was because of peoples impatience and that communications were so slow.

Seems communications are a lot faster and people are stil impatient.
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Message 1405459 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 8:40:27 UTC

Now, That is the history we get on this side of the pond.

I'm not surprised that the USA establishment has the view it has about the British Empire and British involvement in America. It's a form of Jingoism to bolster National pride.

The British Empire was mainly formed to promote and bolster trade. England and later Britain, was a small island compared to the rest of the world. We didn't produce diamonds, furs, cotton, silks, spices, tobacco, indigo etc etc. but we had a strong home market for them. At it's height it 1920 it oversaw 1/5 of the worlds population and 1/4 of the earths land area. Trade with the Americas was important and we set up the Hudsons bay Company, similar to the East India Company in the Far East. The later independence of the Thirteen Colonies in North America in 1783 caused Britain to lose some of its oldest and most populous colonies. The term 'imperialism' should not be confused with ‘colonialism’. Imperialism operates from the center, it is a state policy, and is developed for ideological as well as financial reasons whereas colonialism is nothing more than development for settlement or commercial intentions.

Though Britain and the empire emerged victorious from the Second World War, the effects of the conflict were profound, both at home and abroad. Much of Europe, a continent that had dominated the world for several centuries, was in ruins, and host to the armies of the United States and the Soviet Union, who now held the balance of global power. Britain was left essentially bankrupt, with insolvency only averted in 1946 after the negotiation of a $US 4.33 billion loan (US$56 billion in 2012) from the United States, the last instalment of which was repaid in 2006.

At the same time, anti-colonial movements were on the rise in the colonies of European nations. The situation was complicated further by the increasing Cold War rivalry of the United States and the Soviet Union. In principle, both nations were opposed to European colonialism. In practice, however, American anti-Communism prevailed over anti-imperialism, and therefore the United States supported the continued existence of the British Empire to keep Communist expansion in check.

Britain adopted a policy of peaceful disengagement from its colonies once stable, non-Communist governments were available to transfer power to. This was in contrast to other European powers such as France and Portugal, which waged costly and ultimately unsuccessful wars to keep their empires intact. Between 1945 and 1965, the number of people under British rule outside the UK itself fell from 700 million to five million.


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