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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
OMG Gary, you're continuing to dodge my main assertion with this thread. Let me try to explaine with this current example. I see you support the massive increase in police powers, essentially creating a police state. That is a nearly 100% statist position. Tea flavor Kool Aid. How about this example ... Texas state police regularly perform full body cavity searches of women during routine highway traffic stops for minor infractions, like tossing a cigarette out the window, or speeding. The searches are performed in full view of other drivers on the highway, include penetration of the vagina and anus, and the officer performing the search does not always change gloves when searching more than one woman, according to a lawsuit. In the NY case the judge, not at the appellate level, will undoubtedly be overturned at the appellate level. It is a long standing rule of SCOTUS that outside your castle the police can search you and all your papers and electronic devices as often as they want. It you go back through the case history you will see where the reason given is there are "highway men" out there waiting to rob you and because of this you have no reasonable expectation of privacy outside your castle. Obviously this is a never changing ruling of a never changing constitution that must be interpreted exactly as was the day the ink dried. You should continue reading the post ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/08/20/ray-kelly-says-stop-frisk-saves-lives-theres-no-good-evidence-for-that/ |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
As for the link stating there's no good evidence that it saves lives... both studies seem to be minimizing the effect (AKA BIAS) of the SQF (stop, question, and frisk) by making statements like: I was looking for a link to a more interesting study, which compared the drop in the crime rate in NYC over the stop and frisk time period with the national - no stop and frisk - drop in crime rate. IIRC, that indicated the national drop was essentially the same as the NYC drop. (I can't find the link right now, might be in my others computers history.) That study also noted the same trend internationally. They speculated it was related to the end of the world wide crack and other drug use epidemics. Rather obviously if the trend where there is no stop and frisk is identical to a stop and frisk area, then stop and frisk plays zero role in that trend. Perhaps one of the other readers here has the link handy. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I think someone was posting about DENIAL ... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/obama-hurricane-katrina_n_3790612.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular A Third Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
As for the link stating there's no good evidence that it saves lives... both studies seem to be minimizing the effect (AKA BIAS) of the SQF (stop, question, and frisk) by making statements like: The misguided emphasis on numbers explains the exponential increase in stop and frisks during Mayor Michael Bloomberg's tenure, a leap of 600 percent, from 97,296 in 2003 to 685,724 last year. Echoing the dubious claims of his police commissioner, Raymond Kelly, Bloomberg defends tactics like stop and frisk by citing crime reduction in the city. But the relevant data hardly serve his argument. The drop in murders in New York City, for example, from 2002 until now has been about 12 percent, from 587 annually to 536. During the same period, the number of murders declined by 43 percent in Washington and by 50 percent in Los Angeles, two cities that have less aggressive stop and frisk tactics. source Looks like a good candidate. It's referenced by this from media matters that aims to show just how "fair and balanced" Fox was in it's reporting on stop and frisk in NYC. The primaries next month will allow NYC registered Democrats to pick a candidate for mayor committed to ending the policy. If one of them should win, and then win the election for mayor we could get some interesting before and after data to see just how much difference the policy is making. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
reserved to the states or the people http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/23/authorities-in-las-vegas-arrest-2-in-sovereign-citizen-plot-to-kidnap-torture/ LAS VEGAS – A couple spent hundreds of hours over four months plotting to abduct, torture and kill Las Vegas police officers as a way to attract attention to their anti-authority "sovereign citizens" movement, police said. |
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j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 |
With the States being as dysfunctional if not more than the Federal government this is not going to happen in any near future. I do like some of his "liberty amendments" to the Constitution though. ... |
Bill Walker Send message Joined: 4 Sep 99 Posts: 3868 Credit: 2,697,267 RAC: 0 |
Chris, you are being very logical. That has no place in modern politics. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
There is ONLY one interpretation of our Constitution and that would be the Federalist Papers. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
It's time to term limit ... SCOTUS! I suspect this puts you at the other end of the spectrum than ID. Before you can term limit them, you need to decide on the length of a term. Right now the length of the term is until death. Are you sure you want to put SCOTUS into the political arena, making them run for office, subjecting them to the whipsaw pendulum that is politics? Just imagine a decade or so of the bad political party with super majority power and the decisions that SCOTUS would be politically forced into making. How long those decisions will shape the country through stare decisis? Even after the good party gains power, but not a super majority? Are you sure you want this? |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
It's not the "term limit" in that court that bothers me. And like so many problems we have it's the confirmation process. I have watch that process on C-Span a few times now and before C-Span on the news. NOT ONE, not ONE person during the confirmation process has EVER asked a question pertaining to the Federalist papers. It could be I missed it but I don't think so. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19059 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
And that interpretation would be; The intent of the Foundling Fathers, The understanding of those who voted for it Or the meaning an educated man would think appropriate. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
And that interpretation would be; The intent the author of the amendment. The understanding of the state legislatures. The meaning an educated man would apply to the case at hand. |
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