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Message 1405128 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 17:38:30 UTC

Is that the sort of education you'd be happy for your kids to have?

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Message 1405134 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 17:47:59 UTC - in response to Message 1405128.

Is that the sort of education you'd be happy for your kids to have?

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Message 1405156 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 18:28:29 UTC - in response to Message 1405128.

Is that the sort of education you'd be happy for your kids to have?



Hey, it got me this far.

My point being we can't let schooling get in the way of education. Schools, by themselves, cannot and do not fully educate a person. There is still a big role for parent(s),and peers, and hard knocks.
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Message 1405204 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 19:40:09 UTC

There is still a big role for parent(s)

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Message 1405229 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 20:25:06 UTC - in response to Message 1405226.

It's the government's responsibilty to govern, the parent's responsibility to raise, and the school's responsibility to educate.

If all three can actually work together, then maybe, just maybe, matters can improve.
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Message 1405470 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 9:39:49 UTC - in response to Message 1405128.

Is that the sort of education you'd be happy for your kids to have?

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Message 1405484 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 10:34:24 UTC

It's the government's responsibilty to govern, the parent's responsibility to raise, and the school's responsibility to educate. If all three can actually work together, then maybe, just maybe, matters can improve.

Ye gods where is my Sal Volatile ..... +1

Government, parents, schools... Yup... how can we make them work together? Did I answer that question above?

Pretty good attempt I'd say.

I don't know why we don't hold parents accountable for the actions of their children since they are in the best position to teach their children right and wrong.

In the UK they are legally accountable until age 16, and then partially accountable until 18. Parents can, and are, taken to court and held responsible for their childrens actions. Examples are failure to attend school or criminal acts. The kids can be put into Council care if the parents are deemed to be irresponsible.

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Message 1405573 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 15:12:00 UTC - in response to Message 1405484.

In the UK they are legally accountable until age 16, and then partially accountable until 18. Parents can, and are, taken to court and held responsible for their childrens actions. Examples are failure to attend school or criminal acts. The kids can be put into Council care if the parents are deemed to be irresponsible.

Over here the kids are so smart they know the parents, teachers, etc. can't lay a finger on them to discipline them or the kid brings child abuse charges.

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Message 1405661 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 21:53:48 UTC - in response to Message 1403978.

This is why i support selective education. It allows the better pupils to thrive, without being dragged down by the dross who don't want to be there.

I agree, which is why the Comprehensives were a bad idea. I would like to take every educational psychologist and drop the lot overboard in mid Atlantic.

Marriage isn't necessary to have a two-parent family unit.


No it isn't but it is much preferable.

If you mean discipline like what I saw while going to school, I would have to steadfastly disagree.

In the 1950's we still had the slipper on the backside, the ruler across the hand, and the wooden board rubber thrown at you, which with a good aim hurt. These days the teacher would be sued in court for assault. Now we have 5 year olds being expelled from school for spitting at the teachers, and fighting other children. I know who I blame.



Well something is going right somewhere. Perhaps you are looking at the wrong problem? I suspect all those single parent families are to blame for this, perhaps no role model is better than a bad one after all. ;)

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Message 1405874 - Posted: 21 Aug 2013, 9:14:39 UTC
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I suspect all those single parent families are to blame for this, perhaps no role model is better than a bad one after all. ;)

There some cases where one of the parents becomes so violent or unmanageable, that it is obviously better if that parent is removed from the family unit, so that they are protected from their influence, and become a single parent family. That of course puts the onus on the remaining parent to be a double role model. There are other families with two parents of the same gender where the children are a lot happier than other families where mum and dad bicker all the time week in week out.

As a very broad generalisation it is usually accepted, that the traditional family unit of a female mum and male dad, is the most stable and benefits the children best. Marriage was usually assumed to be an integral part of that, but it does not assume the importance that it once did. However in this modern world that is getting harder to achieve as each year goes by, hence we see the other variants mentioned above. Children from single parent families have a propensity in some cases, and in some areas, to become more troublesome, but we mustn't tar everyone with the same brush.

Young people are increasingly likely to have been brought up by one parent and to have played a lot of computer games. Yet they are far better behaved than previous generations.

Really?

Western societies are growing older, and most crimes are committed by young men. Policing has improved greatly in recent decades, the epidemics of crack cocaine and heroin appear to have burnt out.

The biggest factor may be simply that security measures have improved. Car immobilisers have killed joyriding; bulletproof screens, security guards and marked money have all but done for bank robbery. Alarms and DNA databases have increased the chance a burglar will be caught. At the same time, the rewards for burglary have fallen because electronic gizmos are so cheap. Even small shops now invest in CCTV cameras and security tags. Some crimes now look very risky—and that matters because, as every survey of criminals shows, the main deterrent to crime is the fear of being caught.

Some don't fear being caught, they are the dangerous ones. I take that report with a pinch of salt.

Perhaps you are looking at the wrong problem?

Perhaps I am, which one would you suggest I do look at?

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Message 1407386 - Posted: 24 Aug 2013, 18:43:56 UTC - in response to Message 1403986.

Marriage isn't necessary to have a two-parent family unit.


No it isn't but it is much preferable.

Says who?

Or, ask yourself this which is better two people who want to raise a child together or two people who hate each others guts but are too stupid to get a divorce?

so well said. my parents hated each other. i'm not married to my woman, but we'll die old together, and our kids are happy. its all about that old religious mindset. they want you to get married, etc. but if you spend your entire life with a person who you would always be loyal to, no matter what, how is that NOT marriage?

i'd rather my woman be free to decide if she wants to stay with me, rather than have the rest of society look down upon her because we got in some crazy argument that led to a messy divorce. we're happy the way we are, and eventually we'll probably get married, but it will be for political reasons, not spiritual or religious ones, and it will be on our own terms. dont buy into the you must be married line, thats from religious zealots, and as such should be taken with a grain of salt, in my humble opinion. do what your lover wants, and you'll stay happy. marriage makes guys act retarded, (yes i am male) to the point of YEAH SHES MINE NOW HAHAHAHAHA, and that personally is the scariest thought i could ever have: that i OWN a human being, rather than being delightfully attached to her by my own love.
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