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Message 1403671 - Posted: 15 Aug 2013, 22:03:48 UTC

From a phrase it the IT/Computer Education thread, where it could be thought to be a problem only found in America. I can assure them it is not, it is a world wide phenomenon.

So why does the majority of the world's population prefer to watch mindless garbage?

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Message 1403684 - Posted: 15 Aug 2013, 22:38:26 UTC - in response to Message 1403671.

From a phrase it the IT/Computer Education thread, where it could be thought to be a problem only found in America. I can assure them it is not, it is a world wide phenomenon.

So why does the majority of the world's population prefer to watch mindless garbage?

It hurts them to think, so mindless is better! Unfortunately they treat elections the same way.

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Message 1403727 - Posted: 16 Aug 2013, 2:29:31 UTC

I'm more inclined to wonder why supposedly HIghly Intelligent Atheists Develop and Produce The Garbage. Certainly these Brainiacs can Use Their Time for The Betterment of Humankind, than to Add To Its Demise with Garbage They Produce.

Can't these HIgh IQ Atheists Think of Anything Better To Do?

But Hey, keep Producing The Garbage. It Makes Money and The Driving Force for Such Intellects.

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Message 1403747 - Posted: 16 Aug 2013, 3:16:13 UTC - in response to Message 1403727.

I'm more inclined to wonder why supposedly HIghly Intelligent Atheists Develop and Produce The Garbage.

I've heard Hollywood called a lot of things, many vulgar slang for one religion, which supposedly runs Hollywood and the studios, words which the rules don't permit me to repeat, but I've never heard them called atheists.

As to why, are you so dense you don't understand bell curves, lowest common denominators, marketing and the profit motive? If you call it garbage, you should get this as you should be on the high side of the curve ...

Just so it is fresh ...


The goal of programming is to sell advertisements. The goal of advertising is to sell product. The study of what works in an advertisement falls into the marketing classification. What works marketing wise for a moron is not the same as a genius. It is much harder to convince a genius to buy something they don't have a need for or that does not have objective material to compare between manufacturers. This part of the IQ curve is written off as undesirable by the marketing folks who buy the advertising. But you can use emotional pitches to a moron to convince him he has a need when in reality he does not.

The TV executive wants the most people possible to watch the show. If he aims it dead center in the chart, IQ 100, then he risks people below his aim point "getting" the show. But if he aims lower say IQ 70, he picks up a huge segment of the bell curve, but he does risk loosing a segment far on the high end as they would consider the show garbage. But his customer has already tole him those people aren't the ones they want.

If he aims lower still say IQ 50, he picks up even more but also loses more on the high end. There is a balance point somewhere where he maximizes the audience that the advertiser wishes. This is the point he has to aim his shows appeal towards. Unfortunately, that is somewhere near the moron level of IQ, which explains the main stream garbage that comes out of Hollywood.

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Message 1403767 - Posted: 16 Aug 2013, 5:06:42 UTC

i suppose a corollary to this thread would be "why are most threads negative, pejorative, and insulting".
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Fixate on the positive and the negative fades away.
Fixate on the negative and welcome to misery that loves company.
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Message 1403828 - Posted: 16 Aug 2013, 9:18:24 UTC

The majority of the population are sheeple it is as simple as that, they are fairly easily persuaded to a particular train of thought. Let's face it, an IQ of 100 which is supposed to be the average, isn't being that particularly bright is it? Get to 120 and above and you get joined up writing.

A quick google search soon shows which religion is supposed to run Hollywood, funny, I always thought it was another one that was more prevalent, there you go. Oh and btw, Bell curves were called Poisson Distribution in my day. We used to use them in statistical sampling with confidence levels.

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Message 1403830 - Posted: 16 Aug 2013, 9:26:47 UTC - in response to Message 1403828.

You might say that an IQ of 100 is not particularly bright but consider that in the UK the government want 50% to go into higher education.

Some of those with an IQ over 100 will not go into higher education, so it will be necessary for some of those with an IQ below 100 to go into higher education for the 50% figure to be met.

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Message 1403832 - Posted: 16 Aug 2013, 9:31:26 UTC

Isn't a Bell curve a Gaussian distribution?
A Poisson distribution is usually used for estimating the probability of an event occurring in a given time period.
A Gaussian distribution shows the likelihood of an event occurring close to the mean value.
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Message 1403851 - Posted: 16 Aug 2013, 10:52:29 UTC

You might say that an IQ of 100 is not particularly bright but consider that in the UK the government want 50% to go into higher education.

And we all know why don't we. Because there is a very high proportion of kids leaving mainstream school at 16 with very few or no qualifications and which are unemployable. They hope that by getting 50% into FE it will help as will raising the school leaving age to 18.

This is apparently the official view.

In recent years, it has become apparent that most 16-18 year olds aren't as motivated to continue their education after completion of their GCSEs, thus increasing the overall unemployment rate, as many are unable to find work. The British government is hopeful that by making education compulsory up to the age of 18 by 2013, they can change this attitude.

In reality it i hoped that another 2 years either in FE or mainstream schooling, might get something between their ears. And it keeps the little sods off street corners getting into trouble. My own view is that we will end up having a generation of 18 year olds just as disadvantaged as our current one of 16 year olds.

Until all governments actively support marriage, encourage stable two parent family units, crack down on kids as meal tickets, and give teachers authority to maintain discipline, nothing will change. Forced education to 18 will likely fail at the first hurdle when Johnney at age 17 is told to stop talking in class. Likely he will fold his arms and say make me. Got any ideas for dealing with that?



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Message 1403864 - Posted: 16 Aug 2013, 11:42:48 UTC - in response to Message 1403851.
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Forced education to 18 will likely fail at the first hurdle when Johnney at age 17 is told to stop talking in class. Likely he will fold his arms and say make me. Got any ideas for dealing with that?

Slip Copper Sulphate in his drinking bottle, that'll shut him up.

On a serious note, i agree with you. My favourite part of doing A levels years ago was that all the kids who didn't want to be there weren't any more, leaving the rest of us who wanted to learn to do so in peace.
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Message 1403881 - Posted: 16 Aug 2013, 12:40:20 UTC - in response to Message 1403864.

My favourite part of doing A levels years ago was that all the kids who didn't want to be there weren't any more, leaving the rest of us who wanted to learn to do so in peace

That was the bit I had to convince my youngest about. That took a lot of time and effort, until about half way through his first day.

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Message 1403890 - Posted: 16 Aug 2013, 13:14:25 UTC - in response to Message 1403851.

Until all governments actively support marriage, encourage stable two parent family units


Marriage isn't necessary to have a two-parent family unit.

and give teachers authority to maintain discipline,


If you mean discipline like what I saw while going to school, I would have to steadfastly disagree.

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Message 1403896 - Posted: 16 Aug 2013, 13:21:10 UTC - in response to Message 1403881.

That was the bit I had to convince my youngest about. That took a lot of time and effort, until about half way through his first day.

I was lucky enough to attend a selective Grammar School, which had already filtered out the lowest echelon. Much happier there than i would have been at the local high school, even though it was considerably further away.
This is why i support selective education. It allows the better pupils to thrive, without being dragged down by the dross who don't want to be there.
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Message 1403978 - Posted: 16 Aug 2013, 19:13:35 UTC

This is why i support selective education. It allows the better pupils to thrive, without being dragged down by the dross who don't want to be there.

I agree, which is why the Comprehensives were a bad idea. I would like to take every educational psychologist and drop the lot overboard in mid Atlantic.

Marriage isn't necessary to have a two-parent family unit.


No it isn't but it is much preferable.

If you mean discipline like what I saw while going to school, I would have to steadfastly disagree.

In the 1950's we still had the slipper on the backside, the ruler across the hand, and the wooden board rubber thrown at you, which with a good aim hurt. These days the teacher would be sued in court for assault. Now we have 5 year olds being expelled from school for spitting at the teachers, and fighting other children. I know who I blame.

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Message 1403986 - Posted: 16 Aug 2013, 19:38:34 UTC - in response to Message 1403978.

Marriage isn't necessary to have a two-parent family unit.


No it isn't but it is much preferable.

Says who?

Or, ask yourself this which is better two people who want to raise a child together or two people who hate each others guts but are too stupid to get a divorce?

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Message 1403997 - Posted: 16 Aug 2013, 20:11:31 UTC

Says who?

Says me for a start, and a lot of other behavioural scientists as well.

Or, ask yourself this which is better two people who want to raise a child together or two people who hate each others guts but are too stupid to get a divorce?


If two people who hate each others guts are too stupid to get a divorce, then probably they were too stupid to have got married in the first place and I have no sympathy for them as a couple. I would have sympathy for any children that have to live in that environment. The old way was to stay together for the sake of the kids come what may. These days we know that where a marriage isn't working, a clean break is best for all concerned.

Two people who with forethought want to raise a child together in a loving family unit is only to be encouraged. But sadly it has been found that many couples just living together, don't have the commitment that marriage does, and it is too easy for one partner to just walk away without any consequences.

There is no easy answer to any of it, at the end of the day it's always the kids that lose out. And we wonder why they turn out like they do.

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Message 1404180 - Posted: 17 Aug 2013, 6:43:12 UTC - in response to Message 1403851.

You might say that an IQ of 100 is not particularly bright but consider that in the UK the government want 50% to go into higher education.

And we all know why don't we. Because there is a very high proportion of kids leaving mainstream school at 16 with very few or no qualifications and which are unemployable. They hope that by getting 50% into FE it will help as will raising the school leaving age to 18.

This is apparently the official view.

In recent years, it has become apparent that most 16-18 year olds aren't as motivated to continue their education after completion of their GCSEs, thus increasing the overall unemployment rate, as many are unable to find work. The British government is hopeful that by making education compulsory up to the age of 18 by 2013, they can change this attitude.

In reality it i hoped that another 2 years either in FE or mainstream schooling, might get something between their ears. And it keeps the little sods off street corners getting into trouble. My own view is that we will end up having a generation of 18 year olds just as disadvantaged as our current one of 16 year olds.

Until all governments actively support marriage, encourage stable two parent family units, crack down on kids as meal tickets, and give teachers authority to maintain discipline, nothing will change. Forced education to 18 will likely fail at the first hurdle when Johnney at age 17 is told to stop talking in class. Likely he will fold his arms and say make me. Got any ideas for dealing with that?





Here in NY state a kid can quit school on his own at 16. However the parent is still legally liable for the jerk untill he is 21 or gainfully employed. Married or joins the service. Why the hell can a kid quit school on his own before he is considerd a legal adult? In this state you cant drink till your 21. you cant vote till your 18. But you can tell your parents and the school and the state you quit school. WTF.
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Message 1404185 - Posted: 17 Aug 2013, 6:48:08 UTC - in response to Message 1404180.

But you can tell your parents and the school and the state you quit school. WTF.

Left over from an older age when there was a need for child labor ...

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Message 1404238 - Posted: 17 Aug 2013, 8:45:10 UTC
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In terms of education, the UK school leaving age is currently 16, but is being gradually raised to 18. Parents have a legal responsibility to ensure that their child attends school as required by law. Up to age 16 parents have full legal responsibility for their child and its actions. A child can leave home at 16 with their parents permission to live elsewhere, the parents then still have a legal responsibility for oversight. At age 18 a person is considered an adult, and as such can vote, and join the armed forces without requiring anyone's permission, and can be given adult sentencing in Court.

School leaving age

The UK voting age is 18. There have been moves by Lib Dem politicians to reduce the voting age to 16, because they think they will get a lot of votes from the 16-18 age group. They might have done until they did a U turn on Uni fees, not now. In 2011 it was revealed that the voting age is likely to be reduced from 18 to 16 for the Scottish independence referendum. In my view it should be put back until 21.

The smoking laws in the UK are a total joke and need overhauling. You can't buy tobacco at 16 but you can smoke it in public.

It is illegal to sell tobacco to anyone under the age of 18 in England and Wales. The minimum age for consumption in public is 16, however there is no age limit for consumption in private. Possession is not an offence, providing they are not being consumed.

Smoking law

The drinking age in the UK is 18, but the alcohol laws are also very woolly, i.e. it is not illegal to give alcohol to a child over 5 in private.

Drinking law

The upshot of all this is that if underage kids want to have sex, smoke, and drink, then there is nothing anyone can do to stop them. Probably always been that way, but the law doesn't help to try to curb it.

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Message 1405028 - Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 13:44:39 UTC - in response to Message 1404238.

The upshot of all this is that if underage kids want to have sex, smoke, and drink, then there is nothing anyone can do to stop them. Probably always been that way, but the law doesn't help to try to curb it.

They'd be removing a very important chunk of the kid's education if they tried.
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