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OzzFan ![]() ![]() ![]() Volunteer tester ![]() Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15653 Credit: 62,987,158 RAC: 74,604 ![]() ![]() |
Can you quit making outrageous claims without sources and then asking me to disprove them? Do you mean like your claim? Because their news is more believable than any other news network in America. I don't recall asking you to disprove anything I said. I only asked that you provide your reasoning for your claim, which you suggested was the only reasonable conclusion. |
bobby "snowflake" ![]() Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2852 Credit: 17,216,850 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Oh, APL will make you old and grumpy ... :) What about SQL and HTML (or maybe LaTeX)? I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... ![]() |
![]() Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 9408 Credit: 7,252,026 RAC: 927 ![]() |
What about SQL and HTML (or maybe LaTeX)? Good and important but also a very different way of thought from that of 'mainstream' programming languages... SQL and databases are subject in themselves! What the hell, why not? And LaTeX certainly deserves an awful lot more exposure than is ever normally given. Often far faster than WYSIWIG and with better results. The important thing is to give a useful taster and to not get bogged down in arcanery... IT is very much what we make it, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
![]() Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 9408 Credit: 7,252,026 RAC: 927 ![]() |
I see everyone is giving short shift to the required full set of knowledge to program effectively. Phew! That sounds like most of a multiple years University degree course! Errr... Ain't that a bit heavy for children and a Raspberry Pi?... Which comes round to how best to teach to keep some enthusiasm going... Teaching all the "prerequisites" first, is all good and logical but can sorely try the patience of even the most devout monk. Is not a better way to teach using multiple passes whereby all the languages are breezed over with fun examples so that the students very deliberately can "hack" in whatever fun/silly ways? Then later, once the value and interest of programming has caught those interested enough to find out further, only then introduce the prerequisites so that they can gain a deeper understanding and better proficiency and a valued appreciation of better programming. Learning (and teaching) should be positive fun! IT is very much what we make it, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
![]() ![]() Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 6587 Credit: 1,917,274 RAC: 1,965 ![]() ![]() |
I've been using nroff and troff on my UNIX boxes before Donald Knuth created TeX, which I compiled on a BULL/MIPS RISC machine. He created it because he was tired of seeing typographical errors in his series "The art of computer programming". Notice the term "art", which brings us back to Rinascimento with Cimabue being the master who teaches his art to Giotto, who then overtakes his master, as reported by Dante. Programming is an art, not a science. Tullio |
![]() ![]() ![]() Volunteer tester ![]() Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 40475 Credit: 41,349,671 RAC: 2,092 ![]() ![]() |
Is not a better way to teach using multiple passes whereby all the languages are breezed over with fun examples so that the students very deliberately can "hack" in whatever fun/silly ways? Learning to print out "hello world" is NOT programming. @Tullio - give my regards to Ed & Vi when you see them. |
![]() ![]() Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 6587 Credit: 1,917,274 RAC: 1,965 ![]() ![]() |
I am still using Vi on my Linux boxes. I printed the original docuemntation by Bill Joy of Berkeley on an Olivetti dot matrix printer using nroff. Tullio |
![]() Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 9408 Credit: 7,252,026 RAC: 927 ![]() |
A little something immersive to inspire both youngsters AND their parents?... Why Minecraft is more than just another video game Minecraft's creators revealed this week that the blocky freeform building game has 33 million users. It can easily become an obsession. ... ... He also hopes Minecraft can teach parents a thing or two rather than them wanting the game to teach their kids. "If this is something your kid is passionate about you owe it to them to take an hour or two to figure it out," he says. And that's perhaps the best thing about the game - the shared times and stories we've had playing it together. Like that time we got ambushed by a creeper, which blew up and dropped us into a cavern, and we only had one torch and had to find our way back. Or the first time we killed the Ender Dragon or the time they showed me around the giant elaborate treehouse they had built and the... Well, you get the idea. IT is what we all make it! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5692 Credit: 3,417,248 RAC: 303 ![]() |
I do play Minecraft i confess, and Mojang ought to be congratulated that with such a simple concept they've managed to create something more addictive than crack cocaine. And if kids are spending all their time in front of the PC, at least they're not out on street corners or park benches drinking cheap cider annoying the rest of us. Then again, they're missing out on a big chunk of their education. And it's more constructive (literally) than shooting endlessly respawning enemies in Call of Duty. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() Volunteer tester ![]() Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 40475 Credit: 41,349,671 RAC: 2,092 ![]() ![]() |
I don't play computer games, I have no psychological NEED to, I have a fulfilling social life thankyou very much. Out to dinner with 41 Club tonight. |
![]() Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 9408 Credit: 7,252,026 RAC: 927 ![]() |
... I have no psychological NEED to, I have a fulfilling social life thankyou very much. ... So why you wobbling the pixels on here?! Keep searchin', Martin :-) See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
![]() ![]() ![]() Volunteer tester ![]() Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 40475 Credit: 41,349,671 RAC: 2,092 ![]() ![]() |
Someone has to keep the reprobates around here off the streets!!! |
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