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Message 1790075 - Posted: 24 May 2016, 21:44:34 UTC - in response to Message 1784212.  

How Big Are Those Killer Asteroids? A Critic Says NASA Doesn’t Know.

More than 14,000 known asteroids zip through Earth’s neighborhood. They will all miss Earth in the coming decades.

But hundreds of thousands more have not yet been discovered, and whether any of those are on course to slam into our planet, no one knows. So finding and tracking all the asteroids that could cross Earth’s path would allow officials to issue warnings and potentially provide time to deflect dangerous ones.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/24/science/asteroids-nathan-myhrvold-nasa.html

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Message 1791472 - Posted: 28 May 2016, 22:27:20 UTC - in response to Message 1790075.  

Yes it does.

Rosetta’s Comet 67P contains ingredients for life

Ingredients crucial for the origin of life on Earth, including the simple amino acid glycine and phosphorus, key components of DNA and cell membranes, have been discovered at Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko.

The possibility that water and organic molecules were brought to the early Earth through impacts of objects like asteroids and comets has long been the subject of important debate.

https://astronomynow.com/2016/05/28/rosettas-comet-67p-contains-ingredients-for-life/
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Message 1791642 - Posted: 29 May 2016, 7:03:50 UTC

If life can start within the boundaries of science and biology then there is no more need for god.
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Message 1791660 - Posted: 29 May 2016, 9:35:58 UTC

Yes, but who created the laws of physics and biology? That is the question. At the end of his book "What is life?" Erwin Schroedinger wrote that God created life with the help of quantum mechanics.
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Message 1791686 - Posted: 29 May 2016, 12:56:48 UTC - in response to Message 1791684.  

I think that Erwin Schroedinger, a respected scientist, whose equation is the basis of all structural chemistry and molecular biology, was not expressing fairy tales, but only his faith. Faith is not a fairy tale.
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Message 1791701 - Posted: 29 May 2016, 13:51:44 UTC - in response to Message 1791686.  

I think that Erwin Schroedinger, a respected scientist, whose equation is the basis of all structural chemistry and molecular biology, was not expressing fairy tales, but only his faith. Faith is not a fairy tale.
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But faith can be misplaced. But everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions in regard to this matter.
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Message 1791705 - Posted: 29 May 2016, 14:13:42 UTC - in response to Message 1791701.  

Many scientists believe in God, while many others do not. This is only a personal matter, and has nothing to do with science.
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Message 1791715 - Posted: 29 May 2016, 14:53:52 UTC - in response to Message 1791712.  
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I am not pushing any delusion. I did not start this discussion about belief in God. Somebody else started it and I replied.
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Message 1791777 - Posted: 29 May 2016, 18:41:01 UTC - in response to Message 1791715.  
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The word God is allowed. The God Particle, discovered by CERN. Free speech forum.
No one is being delusional.
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Message 1791857 - Posted: 29 May 2016, 22:04:37 UTC - in response to Message 1791790.  

Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Schroedinger, Abdus Salam, and Nicola Cabibbo of Cabibbo angle fame, all believed in God, while probably each of them had a different idea of God. The God of Einstein, the one who does not play dice, was more similar to that of Spinoza than the God of the Bible. Abdus Salam, Nobel prize winner in Theoretical Physics, was a devout Islamic believe who interrupted his studies to pray on a rug oriented to La Mecca as a devout Muslim. I have known him personally while studying at the International Center for Theoretical Physics in Trieste that now bears his name. In 1993, while already ill with Parkinson, he welcomed Pope John Paul II in the Aula Magna of the University of Trieste. I was present.
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Message 1791987 - Posted: 30 May 2016, 5:46:13 UTC - in response to Message 1791642.  
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If life can start within the boundaries of science and biology then there is no more need for god.

except the Big bang DIDN'T come form 0...or from nothing! ;)

Kepler, Galileo, - -

A lot of people also believe in Santa Claus. Luckily, most of those grow wiser before primary school age.

Despite my open challenge yesterday, not a single 'god' shown up. I believe empirical evidence, and not any superstitious babblings. It's the scientific way.

Sat sapienti.

I really cant tell if what is worse in their anti-agenda: vegans or agnostics...

what do you think folks?
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Message 1792012 - Posted: 30 May 2016, 7:43:28 UTC - in response to Message 1791987.  

The existence of God cannot be neither proven nor unproven. It is a matter of faith. Abdus Salam was both a great scientist and a man of faith. To say that he believed in "fairy tales" is simply stupid.
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Message 1792046 - Posted: 30 May 2016, 9:32:45 UTC - in response to Message 1792012.  
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All forms of proselytizing are annoying for the other side. "Folklore" is a better word than "fairy tales"--you can find the same Bible stories in the Dead Sea scrolls which predate Christian writings by a few hundred years. Several years ago there was a very nice exhibit of these in Pittsburg Pennsylvania at the Carnegie Museum.

I am still trying to prove how it is possible for Adam and Eve to have had grand children--perhaps a nasty form of incest going on a long time ago.

Perhaps this discussion should be carried out more courteously in some other thread.
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Message 1792053 - Posted: 30 May 2016, 9:50:18 UTC - in response to Message 1792046.  
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All forms of proselytizing are annoying for the other side. "Folklore" is a better word than "fairy tales"--you can find the same Bible stories in the Dead Sea scrolls which predate Christian writings by a few hundred years. Several years ago there was a very nice exhibit of these in Pittsburg Pennsylvania at the Carnegie Museum.

I am still trying to prove how it is possible for Adam and Eve to have had grand children--perhaps a nasty form of incest going on a long time ago.

Perhaps this discussion should be carried out more courteously in some other thread.

I agree, but I did not start it. Somebody else did. I shall stop writing from now.
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Message 1792075 - Posted: 30 May 2016, 10:56:46 UTC - in response to Message 1792053.  
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The discussion should go on (maybe in another thread)--perhaps addressing the idea of proof and logic to define this notion as it emerged over many civilizations. Here is a post I made a few years back which may get at the notion of logical proof.

We can all explore this question by writing down the traits and functionings of a "God" of which we were taught and may now still believe in. We can then look around at the current and past happenings in this world.

One can then ask oneself if those traits (all seeing, all knowing, all merciful etc) are evident in his creation. We can then wonder about other people's gods as well. We can wonder about the Angels, the accounts written in the bible, how He runs Heaven, Hell, purgatory, Limbo.

And Satan: is there a ranking of supernatural beings including the Angels so then what must that be like and how should we see evidence of this on Earth ?

Why would God appear when he did and not during the time of the gods of the Egyptians, Babylonians or my Greek ancestors.

There is a preponderance of illogical constructs here and you must assume that your assumptions are false. I.e. if god is all merciful and compassionate and there is rank injustice in the world. Do you conclude that God is not at all compassionate. I think that you must--I choose to believe there is no God at all. If you want to call science and Nature God then that's fine with me since many of our presumptions can be proven true or false.

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Message 1792077 - Posted: 30 May 2016, 11:04:09 UTC

Here is some sure-fire reality on the subject of grandchildren of Adam and Eve :

The early chapters of Genesis are concerned with the origin of the Earth and all life, including man. The Author's intention is seemingly to present the grand picture first and then add certain details throughout the rest of Scripture; this is called Progressive Revelation. All we are told about Adam's offspring is that the first son was named Cain, the second son named Abel [Genesis 4:1-2 ], then after Abel's murder, another son named Seth was "begotten when Adam was 130 years old." After that, Adam "begot sons and daughters" [Genesis 5:3-4]. This same passage also tells us that Adam lived for 930 years [Genesis 5:5]. Therefore, according to Scripture, Adam and Eve's family consisted of sons Cain, Abel and Seth, plus a minimum of two other sons and two daughters, giving a total of seven children. However, accepting that Adam, and likely Eve, lived for 930 years, seven children would be the minimum number, but does this seem reasonable?
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Message 1792079 - Posted: 30 May 2016, 11:22:38 UTC - in response to Message 1792077.  
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The Bible is not a science book and should not be considered as such. Our way of thinking is very different from that of the ancient peoples and we have learned the use of logic, with all its limitations (see Goedel).
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Message 1792095 - Posted: 30 May 2016, 13:36:26 UTC - in response to Message 1792079.  

The question is: as the putative inspired word of God, Is the Bible factual or is it allegorical ?

What are we to think when we see that someone, ostensibly, lived for 900 years ?
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Message 1792097 - Posted: 30 May 2016, 13:49:25 UTC - in response to Message 1792095.  

The Bible is the work of many authors, not only one as the Quran. I have a copy of the Bibbia Concordata, Mondadori, 1968,approved by Catholic, Jewish, Orthodox and Protestant authorities. It is an imposing literary work, but I never could read it all, it is too big. I prefer the Gospels, much easier to understand and nearer to my feelings.
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Message 1792211 - Posted: 30 May 2016, 18:52:45 UTC

I'm the guilty party and realise now that I should not have brought the subject of god into this thread no matter how logical my statement was.
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