Be careful what you wish for. The way matters are going with the EU, there'll come a time when Britain will be forced to hand it over under EU regulations...

...you just wait & see.

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I totally agree with you. However, it will happen regardless. To stop it all, the EU has to be broken up. We're a member of the EU & cannot declare hostilities against another member state.

Secondly, where will the forces for those hostilities come from? A once proud & Great Britain commanded the seas, as noted by yourself already, where are our naval forces....

...somewhere in Turkey I believe getting made into razor blades.

NEVER SAY NEVER

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Spain needs money real bad. Why not rattle the sabre a bit and see what happens.

It was ok to make trade deals and other pacs but when you decided to have a commom currency thats where the line was crossed.

In my opinion and thats not worth much, the best thing to do is dissolve the EU.
In the long run the only thing that will happen is the resentment will build up so bad the EU will end up fighting each other. Across the pond we can see the cracks allready.

And if a war does start I hope we in the US keep are nose out of your business this time. After all most of Europe hates are guts anyway.

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Old James

The EU considers Gibraltar a major conduit in the "illegal drug trade".

There are only 2 near destinations from Gibraltar, Spain and Morocco.

It falls on Spain to enforce this point of ingress.

People who express opinions far above their pay grade will be demoted.

What about Morocco? Cant they step up to the plate? Seems to me that they can stop the export of drugs.

And why would drug dealer go through Gibraltor. Or are you saying that the UK is letting drugs go through? Back up your statement with proof.

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Old James

Oh.. thank you very much for include as all in the same package.. I don´t know anybody claiming that Gilbratar is spanish territory.. Indeed people claiming that are seen as a joke.. (Maybe is different on the south of the country next to the border, I don´t know ). I think this issue is more a political card played by the spanish governments. (And exclusively by the right wing) They ´re always looking for ways to move public opinion from corruption to other topics.

Gibraltar won´t be spanish territory because people living there don´t want to be spanish. And that´s ok with me and it´s ok for mostly the majority of spanish people.

PS: I don´t like bulls..

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I think is a widespread opinion but the media (and the governments) always have their own interest and are very powerful to impose them so people outside the country may have a different impression.

For me animal torture is a shame too. But hopefully this will be changing because bullfights have gradually less young spectators.. (Youngsters are more concerned about the suffering of animals) .Indeed the current government of Mariano Rajoy is maintaining this "business" wasting a lot of public resources because commercially is a lost cause. Some plazas de toros are half empty as can be seen in pictures.

The current government have almost all of their high members involved in the illegal fundraising of the right wing party but nobody is resigning ( a venerable local custom..) We´re talking about massive fraud,millions of euros flowing from Spain to Switzerland as Mariano Rajoy is demolishing the public services or cutting all investments on science and condemning to ruin the majority of the bussiness owners due to high taxes to middle and low classes. People are very angry..So if they can use a trick they´ll try, In the past they talked about terrorists and that worked, today they treat people claiming a real democracy as terrorists but smoke screens have a limit. I think we have reached that point.

PS: I hate the current state of the UE policy but love Europe culturally speaking.. (Huge fan of british comedy, Doctor Who, and so many other things..) And I´m sure the most of the people in Europe don´t hate America ( indeed some time ago I watched polls about this particular point).

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Spain needs money real bad. Why not rattle the sabre a bit and see what happens.

It was ok to make trade deals and other pacs but when you decided to have a commom currency thats where the line was crossed.

In my opinion and thats not worth much, the best thing to do is dissolve the EU.
In the long run the only thing that will happen is the resentment will build up so bad the EU will end up fighting each other. Across the pond we can see the cracks allready.

And if a war does start I hope we in the US keep are nose out of your business this time. After all most of Europe hates are guts anyway.

+1

The cracks have been there for some considerable time & they are getting wider. The problem is that those at the top have gotten away from grass roots level & that will come back to haunt all of Europe.

The history of Eurpoe over the past 1000 years or so just comfirms that there is no way the EU can ultimately succeed as there is too many disparaging views by every nation within it.

It's a pressure cooker that's being pressurised too much & too fast so the only question is not if but when it blows.

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too many disparaging views

Ya, that's the problem. We need to shut some of them (the extemists) up.

Careful there Guy, you want Europol on your case? Most of those views are coming from the top :)

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We shall unite, whether UK likes it or not.
Tullio

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We shall unite, whether UK likes it or not.
Tullio

USSR 1917-1991. Didn't last long did it?

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If you quit EU you´ll going to have the same problem anyway: a world without financial regulation of any kind. The political stability of every country is going to be compromised unless something is done soon. if not all those protests around the world will be gradually growing.. Without a common frame it´s going to be more complicated to be able to come up with a solution..

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The problem with Spain is - is that it has never got over Drake affair...

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

Well they have to reduce the deficit somehow....

Border Crossing Fee

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Then they'll only be biting the hands that feed them. How many tourists to Gib go on across the border to visit Spain?

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Then they'll only be biting the hands that feed them. How many tourists to Gib go on across the border to visit Spain?

I guess if you don't know anything you can say whatever you please.
Most tourism to Gibraltar is by way of Spain.
My guess is that tourists just won't go to Gibraltar. That'll teach those Spanish a lesson.
Spain claims 150 million dollars in lost taxation per year because of lower priced goods smuggled into Spain.
With no cooperation of the police forces of Gibraltar and Spain drug runners seek safe harbor in Gibraltor.
Many of the drug smugglers, online gambling sites, and money laundering banks are
owned by British Nationals.
It don't matter how big your tax haven is as long as you've got one.

Got any links to back-up your claims.

On money laundering would think laundering $378.4bn would get punished.

How a big US bank laundered billions from Mexico's murderous drug gangs

Then they'll only be biting the hands that feed them. How many tourists to Gib go on across the border to visit Spain?

I guess if you don't know anything you can say whatever you please.
Most tourism to Gibraltar is by way of Spain.
My guess is that tourists just won't go to Gibraltar. That'll teach those Spanish a lesson.
Spain claims 150 million dollars in lost taxation per year because of lower priced goods smuggled into Spain.
With no cooperation of the police forces of Gibraltar and Spain drug runners seek safe harbor in Gibraltor.
Many of the drug smugglers, online gambling sites, and money laundering banks are
owned by British Nationals.
It don't matter how big your tax haven is as long as you've got one.

Got any links to back-up your claims.

On money laundering would think laundering $378.4bn would get punished.

How a big US bank laundered billions from Mexico's murderous drug gangs

And if you just think logically about it, why smuggle anything into Gibraltar and then face the problem of getting it over the border into Spain, when there are hundreds a little ports on the coast of Spain with very little police/customs checks.

Smuggling from Spain to Gibraltar so that it has got past "British customs" and on to a flight to the UK would seem a lot more logical route.

I guess if you don't know anything you can say whatever you please.

Only fools rush in where angels fear to tread......

Direct Flights to Gibraltar from UK

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& because you depend on the geek's friend, the Wiki, you denigrate others.

Nice man!

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