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Message 1395910 - Posted: 28 Jul 2013, 17:50:41 UTC
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Message 1395921 - Posted: 28 Jul 2013, 19:07:49 UTC - in response to Message 1395910.
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/holder-doj-to-battle-restrictive-voting-laws-starting-in-texas/

Wouldn't want to do anything to verify voters are citizens entitled to vote and that they only vote once now would we?

That would be racism.

After all, anything that centralized more and more power in washington dc with the illusion that the people voted for it under the auspices of rights listed in the U.S. Constitution is a good thing, right?

Just liked this comment to the article:
It's not about the legality of the voter. The DOJ asked Texas to provide evidence of voter fraud last year, and they could not prove one instance where it actually happened. It is all about not allowing certain groups of voters (college students, blacks, Latinos, and the poor) who tend to vote Democratic, to not be able to vote. Why else would the Texas voter ID law allow voters to use their concealed carry ID, but have their student ID's not be accepted. Quit trying to act like you care about everyone being able to vote. Be honest, the demographic changes do not favor Republicans, and they are doing everything they can to cling to the power they have. Making it harder for people to register to vote and limiting the number of early voting days are not the type of moves a winning political party makes. They are desperate and shameful acts that a Party who knows it's in trouble enacts because they know if everyone votes who wants to, they will lose.

http://citizensreport.info/2011/10/13/as-many-as-600000-illegal-aliens-may-be-registered-to-vote-in-texas/ wrote:
As many as a quarter of voters in some small Texas counties might not be able to cast ballots if the federal government allows the new state voter ID law to go into effect.

Now that would turn them into teapublican districts!

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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/13/have-you-ever-wondered-how-statisticians-estimate-the-number-of-illegal-immigrants-in-america-well-tell-you/ wrote:
WASHINGTON (TheBlaze/AP) — There’s one number that keeps up popping up in the debate over illegal immigration: 11 million. That’s the ballpark estimate of how many people are living in the U.S. without legal permission.

Let's take that number 11 million and divide by 50 to arrive at a per state total of 220,000. The previous article said there where 600,000 persons in Texas who could not vote and are now registered if the law was implemented. Even given that Texas is going to have more that the average of 220,000. Suppose it were triple at 660,000. That would mean that something like 91% of the illegals are registered to vote. Impossible poppycock. Maybe 2% or 3%, but not 91%! They don't want official attention as official attention gets them a one way ticket.

It is obvious this law and the specific way it was crafted is intended to disenfranchise poor citizens. That is the Rick Perry way!
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Message 1395935 - Posted: 28 Jul 2013, 19:53:34 UTC
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Message 1395946 - Posted: 28 Jul 2013, 20:52:47 UTC - in response to Message 1395935.

Well, ya, like I said, wouldn't want anybody who wants to vote to have to show an identification card. That would be discrimination.

I take it you didn't like numbers being put to it. Sorry to burst your balloon.

It can be done so it doesn't discriminate. But it won't be done that way as there is no real problem to fix.

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Message 1396073 - Posted: 29 Jul 2013, 6:09:26 UTC - in response to Message 1395946.

Gary, there is a real problem to fix -- it is demographics. The way to beat demographics is to filter out 'evil doers' as voters -- you know, the poor, the hispanic, the elderly, the college students. We know they are all evil doers as they don't vote Teapublican. Isn't that proof enough?

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Message 1396112 - Posted: 29 Jul 2013, 9:13:31 UTC

Barry, you stick your tongue any more firmly in your cheek you'll have your dentist worried!

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Message 1396154 - Posted: 29 Jul 2013, 12:25:54 UTC

there are so few cases of voter fraud in the US that one has can only assume that a voter ID law is intended to prevent unwanted(non republicans) from voting. As I have brought up many times before, you have to prove you are a citizen to get a voters registration card, which is free. Voter ID laws make a right turn and a delorean trip back to the Jim Crow days of poll taxes. Congrats on drinking the grape flavored drink Guy. May you and your party RIP
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Message 1396164 - Posted: 29 Jul 2013, 12:46:05 UTC - in response to Message 1396073.
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Message 1396322 - Posted: 29 Jul 2013, 19:59:37 UTC - in response to Message 1396164.

I'll repeat. there have been very few counts of actual voter fraud in the last 50 years. What Neocons are attempting to do is not prevent fraud but prevent thousands of legitimate voters from being allowed their constitutional right to a vote. Seems you like spouting off about what is and isn't in that document. This one actually is. Aside from the Civil rights laws which conservatives hated because it allowed voters that didn't like to actually vote(generally against those opposed to civil rights(conservatives)).

Is it any wonder this backdoor racism isn't called what it is.
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Message 1396334 - Posted: 29 Jul 2013, 20:59:53 UTC
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Message 1396338 - Posted: 29 Jul 2013, 21:09:12 UTC - in response to Message 1396322.

It isn't really Neocons and conservatives pushing this -- not true conservatives -- the use of these terms in this particular context reflects the 'right wing shift' in political language in the US. Rather it is reactionaries (who now dominate the Republican party -- hence my use of Teapublicans) who are pushing for this. Thus you see the efforts under the 'false flag' of 'election fraud' to restrict the electorate.

And yes, there are certainly some racist underpinnings for this effort, but in some ways it is more broad than that, it is an effort to deny voting access to a number of groups who tend to vote Democrat (or at least Republican versus Teapublican), regardless of race or ethnicity.




What Neocons are attempting to do is not prevent fraud but prevent thousands of legitimate voters from being allowed their constitutional right to a vote.


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Message 1396379 - Posted: 29 Jul 2013, 23:02:16 UTC - in response to Message 1396338.

Rather it is reactionaries (who now dominate the Republican party -- hence my use of Teapublicans) who are pushing for this.

Shouldn't that be fascist reactionaries or is that redundant?

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Message 1396393 - Posted: 29 Jul 2013, 23:51:23 UTC - in response to Message 1396379.

Nah, the the fascist reactionaries fund the Teapublicans, they don't *quite* dominate them.


Rather it is reactionaries (who now dominate the Republican party -- hence my use of Teapublicans) who are pushing for this.

Shouldn't that be fascist reactionaries or is that redundant?


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Message 1396635 - Posted: 30 Jul 2013, 13:45:50 UTC
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Message 1396648 - Posted: 30 Jul 2013, 21:24:24 UTC - in response to Message 1396635.

So why are the fascist reactionaries allowed to get away with preventing some minorities from joining some gyms in New York?

What has membership of a privately run gym in New York to do with voting laws?
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Message 1396657 - Posted: 30 Jul 2013, 21:37:25 UTC
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Message 1396682 - Posted: 30 Jul 2013, 22:06:02 UTC - in response to Message 1396657.

I can't believe how hypocritical you liberals are.

Wasn't it you arguing for the right of free association? Or do you enjoy creating straw?


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Message 1396693 - Posted: 30 Jul 2013, 22:18:32 UTC - in response to Message 1396648.

So why are the fascist reactionaries allowed to get away with preventing some minorities from joining some gyms in New York?

What has membership of a privately run gym in New York to do with voting laws?


Are you going to answer this, Guy?
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Message 1396758 - Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 0:18:22 UTC - in response to Message 1396693.

Why on earth should he, it is just one of those trick questions generated by a hypocritical left wing socialist commie type.

You know, for a long time I've felt that Teapublicans were simply confused, mislead, or not too bright. While I suspect many of them might fit this characterization, there are some who are too intelligent for this to fit. For them, the descriptives that increasingly come to mind are mean spirited and venial for some of the less aggressive in their actions, all the way up to to evil and sociopathic for the worst and most powerful of them.




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Message 1396763 - Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 0:28:59 UTC - in response to Message 1396693.
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