Hi all. I am considering a CPU transplant for my Desktop. The exsisting CPU is a Pentium D @ 2.80 Ghz, 2 Logical Cores. If it fits, I considering putting a Pentium 4 @ 3.00 GHZ, which also has 2 Logical Cores. Any thoughts as to which chip will run faster on my desktop would be appreciated. The Desktop itself is a Hp Pavilion m7564a media Center pc with a Nvida 9400GT Graphics Card in it.

Thanks in advance.

Rae

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Hi all. I am considering a CPU transplant for my Desktop. The exsisting CPU is a Pentium D @ 2.80 Ghz, 2 Logical Cores. If it fits, I considering putting a Pentium 4 @ 3.00 GHZ, which also has 2 Logical Cores. Any thoughts as to which chip will run faster on my desktop would be appreciated. The Desktop itself is a Hp Pavilion m7564a media Center pc with a Nvida 9400GT Graphics Card in it.

Thanks in advance.

Rae

Actually that P4 only has 1 physical core but 2 logical cores (if a hyperthreaded version), where as the PD is 2 physical cores. The PD will have the better output. ;-)

Cheers.

Thamks for that. I was hoping a could squeeze a little more speed out of my antique, but I guess for its age, its still Pretty good.

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And here I'm thinking that after 6yrs my Q6600 needs replacing.

Cheers.

I think the best thing you can do is upgrade the video card. Just make sure you have power supply to power new video card if you decide to upgrade it.

If that Socket 775 board, you could replace the cpu with Core 2 Duo or even Core 2 Quad. It will depend on motherboard chipset.

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I think the best thing you can do is upgrade the video card. Just make sure you have power supply to power new video card if you decide to upgrade it.

If that Socket 775 board, you could replace the cpu with Core 2 Duo or even Core 2 Quad. It will depend on motherboard chipset.

Unfortunately it looks like their motherboard does not support Core CPU's.

With the 9400GT being speced for ~50w there probably isn't much headroom for a newer more powerful GPU, but something along the lines of s 530 or 630 would probably have a bit more grunt.

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I think the best thing you can do is upgrade the video card. Just make sure you have power supply to power new video card if you decide to upgrade it.

If that Socket 775 board, you could replace the cpu with Core 2 Duo or even Core 2 Quad. It will depend on motherboard chipset.

Unfortunately it looks like their motherboard does not support Core CPU's.

With the 9400GT being speced for ~50w there probably isn't much headroom for a newer more powerful GPU, but something along the lines of s 530 or 630 would probably have a bit more grunt.

The link is not working for me so I could not check things. Does it have PCI-e slot? I think GT 640 would work too, it gets power from the pci-e slot 75 Watt max, no external power connectors.

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The 9400GT is already an improvement on the original video card < Nvida 7500LE>. From the BIOS date <American MegaTrends Inc, 3.22 7/11/2006>, I am Guessing that the system was manufactured somewhere around 1986, especially given the mother board restraint of max 2 gig RAM. The current GPU is sitting in the PCI Express slot. As I said, This desktop is "Antique". For its age, it is amazing what it can do. It can for instance run windows 7 <ultimate version installed on 1 partition> & 8 <I was a tester for for the Pre-release version & quite frankly, unless you have a touch screen, win 7 is a better product. It seams to run vista home basic best, of the 3 os's that are installed on its partitions, <xp sp3, vista H.B sp2 & win 7 ultimate, all 32 bit>. My current RAC is being solely generated by this meseum piece & I am glad that it is capible of helping with SETI. Bonic is installed in win 7 & vista & by using compatiblity mode sharing the same Data Directory, I am able to share tasks between those 2 os's.

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Unfortunately it looks like their motherboard does not support Core CPU's.

With the 9400GT being speced for ~50w there probably isn't much headroom for a newer more powerful GPU, but something along the lines of s 530 or 630 would probably have a bit more grunt.

The actucal Motherboard is this 1:

[url]http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&objectID=c00783614 [url]

Also known as RC410-M (Asterope3). From the above website, here is a bit of what it says:



HP and Compaq Desktop PCs - Motherboard Specifications, RC410-M (Asterope3)
Figure 1: The RC410-M (Asterope3) motherboard

Motherboard description
Manufacturer's motherboard name: Pegatron ECS RC410-M
HP/Compaq name: Asterope3-GL8E
Form Factor
Micro-ATX: 24.4 cm (9.6 inches) x 24.4 cm (9.6 inches)
Chipset
ATI Radeon Xpress 200 for Intel Processors
Front-side bus speed
533/800 MHz (processor dependent)
Processor upgrade information
Socket type: 775
Motherboard supports the following processor upgrades:
Pentium D 9xx Dual Core
Pentium D 8xx series Dual Core
Pentium 4 6x1 series
Pentium 4 6xx
Pentium 4 5xx
Celeron D

I am wondering if it still possible to get any of the above processors & if so, which 1 to get. Assuming That HP listed the cpu's from Fastest to slowest, I am guessing that it already has something close to the top of the specified range in it. <Pentium D Duel Core 2* 2.80Ghz with FSB @ 800mhz>

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The 9400GT is already an improvement on the original video card < Nvida 7500LE>. From the BIOS date <American MegaTrends Inc, 3.22 7/11/2006>, I am Guessing that the system was manufactured somewhere around 1986, especially given the mother board restraint of max 2 gig RAM. The current GPU is sitting in the PCI Express slot. As I said, This desktop is "Antique". For its age, it is amazing what it can do. It can for instance run windows 7 <ultimate version installed on 1 partition> & 8 <I was a tester for for the Pre-release version & quite frankly, unless you have a touch screen, win 7 is a better product. It seams to run vista home basic best, of the 3 os's that are installed on its partitions, <xp sp3, vista H.B sp2 & win 7 ultimate, all 32 bit>. My current RAC is being solely generated by this meseum piece & I am glad that it is capible of helping with SETI. Bonic is installed in win 7 & vista & by using compatiblity mode sharing the same Data Directory, I am able to share tasks between those 2 os's.

lol
I run Pentium 3 (circa 2001), a few people here even run 486 and Pentium cpu from mid 1990s. I don't think you know what antique means.

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Unfortunately it looks like their motherboard does not support Core CPU's.

With the 9400GT being speced for ~50w there probably isn't much headroom for a newer more powerful GPU, but something along the lines of s 530 or 630 would probably have a bit more grunt.

The actucal Motherboard is this 1:

[url]http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&objectID=c00783614 [url]

Also known as RC410-M (Asterope3). From the above website, here is a bit of what it says:



HP and Compaq Desktop PCs - Motherboard Specifications, RC410-M (Asterope3)
Figure 1: The RC410-M (Asterope3) motherboard

Motherboard description
Manufacturer's motherboard name: Pegatron ECS RC410-M
HP/Compaq name: Asterope3-GL8E
Form Factor
Micro-ATX: 24.4 cm (9.6 inches) x 24.4 cm (9.6 inches)
Chipset
ATI Radeon Xpress 200 for Intel Processors
Front-side bus speed
533/800 MHz (processor dependent)
Processor upgrade information
Socket type: 775
Motherboard supports the following processor upgrades:
Pentium D 9xx Dual Core
Pentium D 8xx series Dual Core
Pentium 4 6x1 series
Pentium 4 6xx
Pentium 4 5xx
Celeron D

I am wondering if it still possible to get any of the above processors & if so, which 1 to get. Assuming That HP listed the cpu's from Fastest to slowest, I am guessing that it already has something close to the top of the specified range in it. <Pentium D Duel Core 2* 2.80Ghz with FSB @ 800mhz>

Pentium D 9xx is the best of that lot. If you want the maximum, Pentium D 960 is what you want.
Here are your choices: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Pentium_D_microprocessors

If you were in US, you would pay 20-30 bucks for one: http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.asp?cat=914

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trust me, I know what it means. The first pc I ever owned was a 8088 ( 9.54mhz in 1988) based machine with 2 360k floppy drives & a 32 ramdisk for command.com using ms-dos 3.30. With that, I was able to write dbase3 compaitible data base programs lol. It was a compadore pc 10 series III, 640k RAM. By today's standards of quad cores , 6 cores etc, Both it & my Desktop are antique. Still there is something novel about old things & old people, Old people carry with them a lifetime of aquired knowledge & were it not for our "antiques" the quad cores etc would not exist; just as we we would not exist without our parents, grand parents etc.

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Older Socket 775 motherboards didn't have CPU voltage regulators that would handle to lower voltage of Core 2s.

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"Life is just nature's way of keeping meat fresh." - The Doctor

Think you need to update your dumpster diving skills ;-)

A lot of Core 2 machines are being disposed off now, either as not worth repairing, or with WinXP becoming obsolete. I've made 3 good ones out of 4 that I've collected. Power supply or hard disk are the most common fault, and easy enough to fix. Then you get a box with a PCI-E slot, that should take a cheap mid range graphics card with no special power supply.

Ian

Rae of Quakesville,CHCH NZ wrote:

(...) From the BIOS date <American MegaTrends Inc, 3.22 7/11/2006>, I am Guessing that the system was manufactured somewhere around 1986, especially given the mother board restraint of max 2 gig RAM. The current GPU is sitting in the PCI Express slot.

PCI-Express slots and 2GB RAM 1986? Try guessing once more...

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Rae of Quakesville,CHCH NZ wrote:

(...) From the BIOS date <American MegaTrends Inc, 3.22 7/11/2006>, I am Guessing that the system was manufactured somewhere around 1986, especially given the mother board restraint of max 2 gig RAM. The current GPU is sitting in the PCI Express slot.

PCI-Express slots and 2GB RAM 1986? Try guessing once more...

Not even in 1996! ;-)


The Pentium D wasn't released until 2005, while PCIe (PCI Express) was created in 2004 and started showing up in motherboards around 2005/2006. 8 years ago really isn't all that ancient.

2 GB on a personal computer in 1986... somebody must be kidding me...
at that date a few MB computer was a top machine.

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My 1986 Olivetti AT&T UNIX PC has 2.5 MB RAM, 40 MB disk and 300 KB 5"1/4 floppy. It still works running UNIX System V, but I cannot reload my directory. The first floppy of 30 is unreadable. It still has LOGO, however. CPU is a 10 MHz Motorola 68010.
Tullio

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Surely the bios date in that post of 2006 kindof gives it away that it wasn't made in 86, even before you have to read whats on the board

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8 years ago really isn't all that ancient.

For computer hardware, it is.

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Grant
Darwin NT