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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20140 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Misguided women endangering their own lives, it won't change anything. It already has changed things... They are in the news and dragging the fossils along with them... I like their reasoning for the Shard being modeled after a shard of (melting) ice, and the location being in the centre of a number of fossils main offices. Hopefully good and thoughtful publicity all round. The Shard should gain some good publicity also depending on how they play their game. In contrast, I suspect EDF[*] are still blackened from their punitive very heavy handed arrogant bullying of the Nottinghamshire power station protestors... All on our only one planet, Martin * EDF lawsuit could have HUGE impact on peaceful protests Activists claim police siding with power company EDF in lawsuit Climate activists receive sentences for gas-fired power station occupation Sixteen activists get community service and five receive conditional discharges on aggravated trespass charges ... In March, after a public backlash, EDF abandoned a civil lawsuit seeking £5m in damages from the protesters. An online petition launched by the parents of one of the activists attracted 64,000 signatures, including those of Richard Dawkins, Mark Ruffalo, Naomi Klein and Noam Chomsky. Several hundred apparent EDF customers claimed they had switched their energy provider. EDF said it dropped the civil action as part of a settlement with the protesters, who agreed to accept a permanent injunction preventing them from entering EDF sites. ... All an example of the law being used and abused by whoever can affort the lawyers? See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
It already has changed things... They are in the news and dragging the fossils along with them... I'm sure they said the same of Emmeline Pankhurst. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20140 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
They made it, in true British Style: Shard climb protest: Greenpeace activists in custody ... At the summit of skyscraper two of them unfurled a blue flag with Save the Arctic written on it. The Shard is 1,016ft high (310m) and has 87 storeys. The women evaded security guards to begin their climb in the early morning. They said the protest was intended to put Shell and other oil companies in the spotlight and they live streamed the stunt. ... Looks like some good publicity for the Shard and its facilities also! (All in very stark contrast to the abusive punitive stance seen from the fossil fuels and power industries...) All for our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
I'm sure they said the same of Emmeline Pankhurst. Was not saying she had anything to do with Greenpeace. Was saying that comments like "It is a symbolic gesture and nothing else" were likely said when she was campaigning. The point was that there will always be naysayers of any protest, though they are not always correct in the estimation of the outcome of the protest. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
Shame someone didn't 'accidentally' open a window and knock one of them off. Would have made the day much more entertaining. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22158 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Or poured Superglue onto the glass just ahead of them. Amusing, but in a different manner... Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20140 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
There's always got to be one or two infantile silly quips. Sorry, but "silly" doesn't equate to "amusing". So your great achievement is other than adding to the trash on our planet is?... Hopefully the Shard stunt will awaken a few more people to the state of play with "Big Oil"... Only on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Hopefully the Shard stunt will awaken a few more people to the state of play with "Big Oil"... Stunt2 source Not sure that "stunts" and "serious meaningful protests" are mutually incompatible, quite the contrary if one considers Mark Thomas serious. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
So your great achievement is other than adding to the trash on our planet is?... I invented an anti-cancer drug currently in stage 2 clinical trials, which if passed safe and released to the medical world could cut death rates from breast cancer by a third. So what's your great achievement? Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20140 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
So your great achievement is other than adding to the trash on our planet is?... Very good and good luck for the outcome. So what's your great achievement? Sorry, too modest to say. Hopefully I've helped to improve our world a little for everyone. All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
Gandhi hunger strikes were a symbolic gesture. The Boston tea party was a symbolic gesture. Standing in front of tanks at Tiananmen Square was a symbolic gesture. Protests at Tahrir in Egypt were a symbolic gesture. Rosa Parks sitting in the front of the bus was a symbolic gesture. Symbolic Gestures can and have changed the world. Janice |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Yes some of them have, but I still think the Shard one won't be seen in that way in the future. I am happy to be proved wrong, and if I am I will say so. You may well be right, though even if you are, does that mean the participants should not have bothered? I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
You may well be right, though even if you are, does that mean the participants should not have bothered? The fact is there are no crystal balls, so there's no need for everybody to accept your view. The demonstrators may have a different idea of what success means, and the fact that this thread exists and remains active a month later is a sign that they have already made some difference. As a result of our action, 50,000 extra people have joined up to the campaign. source. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
They raised awareness and prompted thought. I would say mission accomplished. Janice |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
and the fact that this thread exists and remains active a month later is a sign that they have already made some difference. Not to split hairs or anything, though only after you moved the goalposts could your "Wrong" comment be correct. There was no "in the arctic" qualification in your earlier post: Chris S wrote: The fact that it won't make any difference still needs to be accepted, by them and everybody else, which it isn't. As for whether the action will make a difference to Shell's activities in the arctic in the longer term, well, your crystal ball seems to be better than mine, as I have no clue. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
Told you! Obviously going to happen. From the article: "This is the mood of the country and the government don't realise that." It is not the mood of myself, or anyone i know, and the protesters don't (or won't) realise that! Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
Arrest the lot of them and have done with it. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
yes deliberate civil disobedience can be peaceful. It is never well appreciated by those trying to enforce against it. Where peaceful protests fail, often violent protests follow. Shutting up dissent is not the answer. Discussing it intelligently often is. Janice |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Green Party MP's getting arrested is principled is it? So not a Westminister muppet then? |
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