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Message 1382415 - Posted: 18 Jun 2013, 7:38:59 UTC

I think the question of whether all of our thoughts are just chemical reactions. Even people with different ideas, whether that is the type of random chemical reactions. If so, would be too terrible, do our lives will exist only in a chemical reaction?
People really have thought it? Thought initially unconscious chemical reaction? Then use this as a precondition, not thinking is built on top of it absurd?
It makes me feel panic, even if I am doing now, it is only by the formation of chemical activities of brain cells.
Scientists tell us that love is a chemical reaction of a person, love = dopamine. Fear is, the other chemical reactions.
My autonomy Where is it? Do I have a tendency to are all chemical reactions do?
If you follow this logic, if thousands of years of human civilization is based on a chemical reaction?!
Be able to endure loneliness, will be very close to success, wealth and career will be away from us, but thought eternal.
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Message 1382429 - Posted: 18 Jun 2013, 8:13:23 UTC
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Zhao -- Perhaps, you could obtain a copy of the book,
"The Brain That Changes Itself", by Norman Doidge, MD.

It gives an enlightened perspective on how the "higher levels"
of thinking can, actually, bypass damage to "lower levels" of
the brain.

Enjoy,
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Message 1382440 - Posted: 18 Jun 2013, 8:32:27 UTC

Sounds like an interesting book; Jim!
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Message 1382548 - Posted: 18 Jun 2013, 21:40:39 UTC - in response to Message 1382453.  

They do say that the brain is partly self repairing, in that strokes can sometimes be by-passed by new synapses forming.

Yes, you can relearn movement by growing synapses and by activating previously unused neurons in the motoric cortex. The brain sort of reshuffles a little.
However dead neurons can't be replaced - leading to things like memory loss or impairment of cognitive or motoric funtions.
Nerves in the peripherie can regrow - if e.g. motoric nerves in your face or limbs are severed leading to loss of mobility, those can regrow and you can get mobility back with training.

Zhao, this is the Cafe - if you want a serious discussion you should ask a moderator to move the thread to science.
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Message 1382889 - Posted: 20 Jun 2013, 0:31:11 UTC - in response to Message 1382429.  

Zhao -- Perhaps, you could obtain a copy of the book,
"The Brain That Changes Itself", by Norman Doidge, MD.

It gives an enlightened perspective on how the "higher levels"
of thinking can, actually, bypass damage to "lower levels" of
the brain.

Enjoy,

Thank you, I have found this book translated version.
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Message 1382892 - Posted: 20 Jun 2013, 0:34:56 UTC - in response to Message 1382548.  

William, thank you for reminding me, I do not intend to engage in a serious discussion. Just think, if we only use the most sincere feelings explain chemical reactions, is a painful thing.
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Message 1382915 - Posted: 20 Jun 2013, 3:17:34 UTC - in response to Message 1382415.  

I think the question of whether all of our thoughts are just chemical reactions. Even people with different ideas, whether that is the type of random chemical reactions. If so, would be too terrible, do our lives will exist only in a chemical reaction?
People really have thought it? Thought initially unconscious chemical reaction? Then use this as a precondition, not thinking is built on top of it absurd?
It makes me feel panic, even if I am doing now, it is only by the formation of chemical activities of brain cells.
Scientists tell us that love is a chemical reaction of a person, love = dopamine. Fear is, the other chemical reactions.
My autonomy Where is it? Do I have a tendency to are all chemical reactions do?
If you follow this logic, if thousands of years of human civilization is based on a chemical reaction?!


Yes, everything we think and feel is nothing more than chemical reactions in our brain. Another truth is that nearly every thought is not unique. Take this XKCD comic for example;

We have recorded history that shows people have been complaining about "The art of letter-writing is fast dying out [...] we fire off a multitiude of rapid and short notes, instead of sitting down to have a good talk over a real sheet of paper" (1871), "The age of leisure is dead, and the art of conversation is dying" (1890), "There never was an age in which so many people were able to write badly" (1891), "a brain incapable of normal working ... in a large measure due to the hurry and excitement of modern life [...] almost instantaneous communication between remote points of the globe" (1895), "The managers of sensational newspapers ... create perverted tastes and develop vicious tendencies [...] that is to increase their circulation" (1898), "In these days of increasing rapid artificial locomotion, may I be permitted to say a word in favour of a very worthy and valuable old friend of mine, Mr. Long Walk? I am afraid that this good gentleman is in danger of getting neglected, if not forgotten" (1902), "Tendency among the children of today to rebel against restraint [...] this fact has filled well minded people with great apprehensions for the future" (1906).

"..deal openly with situations in which no person would have dared to mention in general society forty years ago [...] nude men and women in the daily journals and the illustrated magazines would have excluded such periodicals from all respectable families two decades ago... those who have been divorced ... forty and fifty years ago lost at once and irrevocably their standing in society, while to-day they continue in all their social relationships, hardly unchanged" (1908)


People have been complaining about these things for over 120 years, and I'm sure if recorded history were accurate enough, would show nearly back to the dawn of time in many of these facets, and they will continue into the future for the next thousand years as well.


So yes, every thought and every emotion are merely events of chemical reactions in our brains and most of them aren't unique.

However, I leave you with this food for thought:

None of this makes up who you are. The anecdotes of your personal life experiences and your ability to interpret those lessons into future wisdom, the ability to understand that yours is but a simple subset of all the possible life experiences and outcomes that may shape others, and the choice to engage in specific chemical reactions that might make for a better set of life experiences, and possibly help others in achieving better life experiences all make up who you are.

Don't despair what is in the microcosm of your nature. Your identity should be driven by your choice to live your life to the fullest and try to leave the world a little better for everyone when you're done.
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Message 1383258 - Posted: 21 Jun 2013, 3:28:47 UTC - in response to Message 1382915.  

leave the world a little better for everyone when you're done.

Wow, thank you.
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Message 1383290 - Posted: 21 Jun 2013, 7:23:21 UTC - in response to Message 1382915.  

Very much agree with your thoughts!
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