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Message 1382399 - Posted: 18 Jun 2013, 6:36:14 UTC

Cheaper and Quicker

I know it's only an interim report, with the full report due Summer 2015, but there's an old saying "Buy Cheap, Buy Twice".

I hope that there is some official within the department that will realise this & not accept the easiest way out.
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Message 1382411 - Posted: 18 Jun 2013, 7:23:38 UTC

The actual construction costs might be lower, but with all those NIMBYs in the home counties queing up for compensation I very much doubt that the final bill would anything but significantly higher.
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Message 1382426 - Posted: 18 Jun 2013, 7:59:21 UTC - in response to Message 1382411.

Exactly & with all these new aircraft like the Boeing 787's & Airbus A350's & getting larger, a 4th runway will definitely be required a lot sooner rather than later. Add up the costs then, it'll be proven a lot cheaper to go for 4 now.
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Message 1382522 - Posted: 18 Jun 2013, 20:25:15 UTC - in response to Message 1382411.

The actual construction costs might be lower, but with all those NIMBYs in the home counties queing up for compensation I very much doubt that the final bill would anything but significantly higher.

And you are sure there aren't as many NIMBY's at any other site?

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Message 1382792 - Posted: 19 Jun 2013, 18:56:23 UTC

A very timely report....

Jail reckless bankers

...the question is, will it actually be implemented?
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Message 1385664 - Posted: 29 Jun 2013, 4:07:59 UTC

Balls to the walls, I'll lay odds that had been me, it would've been bye bye HGV & 9 points!

Balls fined for going through red light district

"He was fined £60 and given three penalty points in April 2010 after being caught during a late-night drive between Yorkshire and London. However, a spokesman said that the points were never applied."

Damned shame I wasn't doing a late night London run, "Sorry officer, didn't have time to hit the brakes - anyway, he was only a politician. One less wouldn't make a difference"
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Message 1387223 - Posted: 3 Jul 2013, 16:23:17 UTC

Now this is interesting.....

An independent England?

Could we see independent passports? With Britain dead, will we continue to see mass immigration? According to EU rules, we would need to reapply for EU membership. Would the three nations vote to enter with what is now known?

The Right Place for them!

No wonder "shitstorm" has entered the German dictionary. We do tend to export only the best.
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Message 1387552 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 8:20:26 UTC

Another famous London Landmark to disappear, wonder how large the brown envelope was.....

Earls Court to be demolished
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Message 1387713 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 17:22:27 UTC

Having done an exhibition at Earls Court I can honestly say it is a grade one pain in the nether region to exhibit at. For exhibitors with anything larger than a box of tissues road access is a pain, parking is a pain, general access is a pain, floor loading is a pain, oh and then there's the curfew...
NEC and Wembley are far better in those respects.
As a visitor you are faced with coming in on the underground or paying really stupid parking fees.
The place has served its purpose, let it die in grace.
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Message 1387883 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 4:31:34 UTC - in response to Message 1387713.

Having done an exhibition at Earls Court I can honestly say it is a grade one pain in the nether region to exhibit at. For exhibitors with anything larger than a box of tissues road access is a pain, parking is a pain, general access is a pain, floor loading is a pain, oh and then there's the curfew...
NEC and Wembley are far better in those respects.
As a visitor you are faced with coming in on the underground or paying really stupid parking fees.
The place has served its purpose, let it die in grace.

You forgot to mention the dust.

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Message 1387887 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 5:11:14 UTC

That was the least of our worries
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Message 1387919 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 7:25:23 UTC
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It has to be said that after having done 2 exhibitions at Olympia that place is a far better venue. The Earls Court area of London is long overdue for a revamp, and was known as the Danzig Corridor, and now Kangaroo Valley. The original site housed Buffalo Bills Wild West show in the 19C before the building EC1 was built in 1937, and held events in both the 1948 and 2012 Olympics. The extension EC2 was constructed 1n 1991 and neither of them have any particular merit for conservation. Yes it is a famous London landmark but it won't be missed.

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Message 1388007 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 15:35:16 UTC

Definitely open all hours.....

MP's claim for children's travel expenses

...so as all students at university paying their annual fees to you greedy gits, can their parents claim back their kid's transport costs?
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Message 1389737 - Posted: 11 Jul 2013, 11:23:43 UTC

No surprise in Arkwright's shop, just feel sorry for Granville......

MP's set to get £6,000 pay rise
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Message 1389749 - Posted: 11 Jul 2013, 13:28:42 UTC

Never mind all that, what about this?

British Rail?

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Message 1389796 - Posted: 11 Jul 2013, 15:47:00 UTC - in response to Message 1389749.

Never mind all that, what about this?

British Rail?



I believe we covered this on your Union thread. Still, I'll give the same answer again....

"Unbeknown to most passengers, one portion of our railway, the East Coast mainline, is still run by a publicly-owned company, Directly Operated Railways, which picked up the pieces after its two private sector predecessors walked off the job.

Recent calculations by the Office of Rail Regulation revealed how the public money that helps maintain the rail tracks or directly supports rail services splits between the train companies and showed that DOR receives less subsidy than any other rail franchise operator. DOR's success is a glaring embarrassment for the Government, who now intend to privatise it post-haste WHY?, even though that will increase costs to the taxpayer. "
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Message 1389989 - Posted: 12 Jul 2013, 6:39:55 UTC
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the Government, who now intend to privatise it post-haste WHY?, even though that will increase costs to the taxpayer. "

...because no one in government has actually stopped to think, "Why" for it
wasn't made part of their script to stop once in a while and actually question
their own actions. Stopping and questioning your actions may undermine someone
higher up the chain hence make them look incompetent if it's really their
actions that your questioning. Take HS2, the whole world and it's mother knows
HS2 is a looser but to stop now and question it's validity will end up
undermining some very top government officials including THE PRIME MINISTER.
Yes, government bodies don't question their actions for as far as they are
concerned they are always right in all that they do and if having to call
black is really white then they will do so to that end...and do so because
it's safe and in the end you don't risk undermining anyone of importance....
....No wonder the West is going west!!
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Message 1390040 - Posted: 12 Jul 2013, 10:21:54 UTC

...because no one in government has actually stopped to think, "Why" for it
wasn't made part of their script to stop once in a while and actually question
their own actions. Stopping and questioning your actions may undermine someone
higher up the chain hence make them look incompetent if it's really their
actions that your questioning.

That is not correct Nick. Take my post in the Croatia thread.

But what is so ridiculous is the UK MOD faffing about on which version to buy. Initially they went for the F35B the STOVL version, then they thought it was cheaper to buy the F35C carrier version. Then they discovered how much it was going to cost to convert the new carriers to cat & trap operation, and went back to the STOVL version again.

They do change their minds when it is sensible to do so, and it is obvious that they have made a mistake. No doubt someone has a red face in the MOD over the F35 debacle, and serve them right too.

In terms of HS2, We had the same controversy about building HS1 I recall, with all the anti lobbyists complaining that house prices would fall in Kent, but it got built anyway. The only stupid thing is that the Eurostar platforms at Waterloo are still standing empty all these years later. There were plans to convert them to local services but it has never happened. HS2 will cost a lot more than they think, and the payback will take longer than they would like, and the benefits won't be as far reaching as they prophesied, but it will undoubtedly be built, as we need to compete with the Continental railways like the French TGV and the German ICE 3.

I went from London Euston to Birmingham New Street last Tuesday for my Nieces Graduation, and it took 1hr 30m. My table seat in standard accommodation had free wifi and 3 pin sockets. I could have worked on a laptop if I had had one. HS2 will shorten that to 49m, a worthwhile saving. Why muck about going to Heathrow? Ok the flight time is only 23m but you still have to get to Heathrow from London, and from Birmingham International to Birmingham city centre. So much easier to take a cab to Euston and hop on a train, and I bet the first Class return fare is a lot cheaper too. Althogh I note that when HS2 is built it will terminate at Birmingham Curzon Street (AKA Fazeley Street) not New Street.

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Message 1390042 - Posted: 12 Jul 2013, 10:57:24 UTC

The question I ask about not building HS2 or whatever, is can London and to a certain extent the SE survive without it.

Just about every company or organisation I worked for, and it was quite a few, have all migrated towards London or the SE. It just doesn't make business sense to be more than an hour out of London any more.

And with every 1,000 bodies that moves to London there has to be an increase in schools, shops and services and a lot of the people who work in these are already saying London is too expensive.

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Message 1390189 - Posted: 12 Jul 2013, 17:05:47 UTC
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The CBI do not support this HS2 project so industry clearly sees no benefits
coming from it. At best I see workers, some depending on cost of fares, now
being able to move away from the South East & London then use this HS2 to commute
back in to work here. I don't see HS2 being the stepping stone that permits
business's to see Birmingham & Manchester as a now ideal location to set up in.
The loss of business in those regions has nothing to do with poor transportation
but all to do with loss of business to the worlds economies due purely to they
being more efficient and producing at lower costs than we can. The only
industry that will benefit from HS2 are those of the service sector, a sector
that tends purely just to employ people hence do not mass-produce a product that can
be sold world wide. It's the latter that the third world has become very good
at, producing marketable products. Hence their rise in this world leading to
the slow decline of the West. HS2 will not stop our decline, what will though is
if we start to manufacture on a large scale again, here HS2 has no input at all.
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