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Message 1379921 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 17:49:02 UTC

I shut down BOINC on my machine that does both CPU and GPU, installed Lunatics after d/l from Crunchers Anonymous. Then I carefully edited app_info.xml to change all instances of <count>1</count> to 2 (about 20 of them).

When I started up again, instead of running 2 GPU WUs, I have 3 (??) in "waiting to run" state, each saying they require 2 NVIDIA + 0.04 CPU. They do not start or run; no others start in their place (and there should be 4, not 3 anyway). My CPU is 6-core, 3 reserved for CPU computing.

Worse, even after a restart, I cannot delete the copy of my Program Data/BOINC folder containing this and rename my old BOINC folder from BOINC - copy to BOINC because it says cannot rename because file or folder in use. Even though BOINC has not been started after the system restart.

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Message 1379922 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 17:50:54 UTC - in response to Message 1379921.  

I shut down BOINC on my machine that does both CPU and GPU, installed Lunatics after d/l from Crunchers Anonymous. Then I carefully edited app_info.xml to change all instances of <count>1</count> to 2 (about 20 of them).

When I started up again, instead of running 2 GPU WUs, I have 3 (??) in "waiting to run" state, each saying they require 2 NVIDIA + 0.04 CPU. They do not start or run; no others start in their place (and there should be 4, not 3 anyway). My CPU is 6-core, 3 reserved for CPU computing.

Worse, even after a restart, I cannot delete the copy of my Program Data/BOINC folder containing this and rename my old BOINC folder from BOINC - copy to BOINC because it says cannot rename because file or folder in use. Even though BOINC has not been started after the system restart.

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If you want to run 2 at a time, the <count> entry has to be .5, not 2.
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Message 1379923 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 17:51:48 UTC - in response to Message 1379921.  
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I shut down BOINC on my machine that does both CPU and GPU, installed Lunatics after d/l from Crunchers Anonymous. Then I carefully edited app_info.xml to change all instances of <count>1</count> to 2 (about 20 of them).

When I started up again, instead of running 2 GPU WUs, I have 3 (??) in "waiting to run" state, each saying they require 2 NVIDIA + 0.04 CPU. They do not start or run; no others start in their place (and there should be 4, not 3 anyway). My CPU is 6-core, 3 reserved for CPU computing.

Worse, even after a restart, I cannot delete the copy of my Program Data/BOINC folder containing this and rename my old BOINC folder from BOINC - copy to BOINC because it says cannot rename because file or folder in use. Even though BOINC has not been started after the system restart.

HELP!!!!

I'm afraid you screwed it up. To get 2 WU/GPU running, you need to change the count to .5, not 2.
Oopsie.

Try to re-edit and reboot. Hopefully that will clear things.
You should be able to edit the app_info file even when it is in use.
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Message 1379931 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 17:59:30 UTC

Yes, I was not only stupid, but double stupid.

Stupid 1: I knew it should have been 0.5 (from previous versions) but still made it 2.

Stupid 2: boinctray.exe was the culprit in preventing rename. I killed boinctray in Task Manager, and was able to do the renaming.

Shows you how getting older (just 70!) can negate 3 degrees from MIT and 40+ years of being a programmer. Bah!

And, thanks guys for the quick answers!
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Message 1379934 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 18:03:26 UTC - in response to Message 1379931.  

Yes, I was not only stupid, but double stupid.

Stupid 1: I knew it should have been 0.5 (from previous versions) but still made it 2.

Stupid 2: boinctray.exe was the culprit in preventing rename. I killed boinctray in Task Manager, and was able to do the renaming.

Shows you how getting older (just 70!) can negate 3 degrees from MIT and 40+ years of being a programmer. Bah!

And, thanks guys for the quick answers!

Don't feel too bad.
With all the Boinc/Seti/Lunatics under my belt, as I get older I find myself scratching my head about things I used to do all the time.
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Message 1379942 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 18:11:57 UTC - in response to Message 1379931.  

Shows you how getting older (just 70!) can negate 3 degrees from MIT and 40+ years of being a programmer. Bah!


I know how you feel, I'm just a couple of years younger than you with 37 years programming before forced retirement, and I'm still making dumb mistakes here.


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Message 1379946 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 18:17:50 UTC

Hey , Think how we , ( that didn't have any exp to draw on to start with ) feel when we have no Idea what we're doing most of the time anyway...
Multiply what you feel , by some large number and then think about how we feel almost all the time... LOL... ;-}
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Message 1379947 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 18:19:04 UTC

LOL.
The good thing is with all us old farts around, there's usually SOMEBODY that remembers how to fix things....
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Message 1379955 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 18:29:39 UTC - in response to Message 1379947.  

LOL.
The good thing is with all us old farts around, there's usually SOMEBODY that remembers how to fix things....


YES , And Thanks to all the Older people that is willing to share their experience and know how with the rest of us that , maybe ( most of the time for me anyway ) feel dumber than DIRT...

I do actually have a few skills , LOL , Just nothing that will do me any good in this field...

So Again , Kudos to all of you for all your patience and help from ( I hope ) all of us who need it so very much , so often . !!!
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Message 1379956 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 18:32:30 UTC - in response to Message 1379947.  

LOL.
The good thing is with all us old farts around, there's usually SOMEBODY that remembers how to fix things....


OK then, Mr. Smartypants & company - fix THIS:

With all my screwing around, I have a bunch of WUs in status ABANDONED in my tasks list. BUT: in the BOINC folder I am using now (a pre-screwing around copy, remember) they are still there, and will be processed. So what happens when they are reported after being abandoned (as far as the servers know)?

Will the Universe crumble? Will the servers go out of their collective mind? America (well, me) wants to know!!!
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Message 1379974 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 18:56:19 UTC

I double checked - for that machine, for AP, the tasks screen shows: 89 tasks, 0 in progress and 21 in error (abandoned). But, in BOINC on the actual machine, I have those 21 in my task queue.

So what will happen when they are processed by my machine? Will the servers recognize them? Or will all the electrons I use to process them be wasted?
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Message 1379980 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 19:10:39 UTC

OK,
first you need to disengage the bi-focal inter-rossiter. Then stop the sprocket-thrombulator. Delete app info module. Calibrate the flux capacitor to run between 2 and three units @50Hz. Insert the dis-combobulator and tune for maximum smoke.

Format c:/s , re-connect the inter-rossiter and press Ctl+Alt+Del.

Reset the project and voila !

No more problems.

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Message 1379987 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 19:25:08 UTC - in response to Message 1379980.  

OK,
first you need to disengage the bi-focal inter-rossiter. Then stop the sprocket-thrombulator. Delete app info module. Calibrate the flux capacitor to run between 2 and three units @50Hz. Insert the dis-combobulator and tune for maximum smoke.

Format c:/s , re-connect the inter-rossiter and press Ctl+Alt+Del.

Reset the project and voila !

No more problems.



But I did all that. Now my prostate has stopped working.
I blame Eric and Dr. Anderson.
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Message 1379994 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 19:43:56 UTC - in response to Message 1379974.  

I double checked - for that machine, for AP, the tasks screen shows: 89 tasks, 0 in progress and 21 in error (abandoned). But, in BOINC on the actual machine, I have those 21 in my task queue.

So what will happen when they are processed by my machine? Will the servers recognize them? Or will all the electrons I use to process them be wasted?

They're gone from your system as far as the server records show, so you will not get credit if you crunch them. There are two possible recovery routes:

1. Do a project Reset. That will delete all tasks you have (including any partially processed), but the usable tasks will be resent on subsequent work requests.

2. Select the abandoned tasks and abort them. Then the Client will report them as errors, but the Scheduler should see they're already resolved as abandoned and ignore the reports. I say "should" because I know that a second report on the same task is normally ignored, but I have not attempted to walk the code to be sure that applies to this case.
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Message 1380007 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 20:13:44 UTC - in response to Message 1379994.  

I double checked - for that machine, for AP, the tasks screen shows: 89 tasks, 0 in progress and 21 in error (abandoned). But, in BOINC on the actual machine, I have those 21 in my task queue.

So what will happen when they are processed by my machine? Will the servers recognize them? Or will all the electrons I use to process them be wasted?

They're gone from your system as far as the server records show, so you will not get credit if you crunch them. There are two possible recovery routes:

1. Do a project Reset. That will delete all tasks you have (including any partially processed), but the usable tasks will be resent on subsequent work requests.

2. Select the abandoned tasks and abort them. Then the Client will report them as errors, but the Scheduler should see they're already resolved as abandoned and ignore the reports. I say "should" because I know that a second report on the same task is normally ignored, but I have not attempted to walk the code to be sure that applies to this case.
                                                                  Joe


Thanks for the info Joe.

FYI: I had already forced one of the tasks in question to run (by suspending all the other tasks not running) and when I updated after it finished, nothing changed in my AP tasks as listed by the servers - it did not get recorded - still "abandoned". So I aborted the other 20 and will continue on.

I didn't have the nerve to reset.

Also, on another note: I notice that AP running on NVIDIA GPU uses a LOT of CPU - like around 90% or so of elapsed time. So I guess I will have to cut back on the cores for CPU computing appropriately to avoid big slowdowns. And on my GPU-only rig, which has a Core2 Duo, I can't really run 2 WUs per GPU, as the two cores will not support 4 WUs in a useful manner. At least, until I acquire a Core 2 Quad to run it with.
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Message 1380009 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 20:17:16 UTC

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Message 1380242 - Posted: 12 Jun 2013, 12:29:38 UTC - in response to Message 1380007.  

Also, on another note: I notice that AP running on NVIDIA GPU uses a LOT of CPU - like around 90% or so of elapsed time. So I guess I will have to cut back on the cores for CPU computing appropriately to avoid big slowdowns. And on my GPU-only rig, which has a Core2 Duo, I can't really run 2 WUs per GPU, as the two cores will not support 4 WUs in a useful manner. At least, until I acquire a Core 2 Quad to run it with.


Yes you need to free a core for NV AP - I should have made the app_version entries that way, but plain forgot in the rush to get it all out.

I'm not really happy about that app, but seeing it's being handed out as stock, it could not be left out of the installer.
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Message 1380316 - Posted: 12 Jun 2013, 16:01:05 UTC - in response to Message 1380242.  

Yes you need to free a core for NV AP - I should have made the app_version entries that way, but plain forgot in the rush to get it all out.

I'm not really happy about that app, but seeing it's being handed out as stock, it could not be left out of the installer.


Hey - the GPU app is better in that it is several times faster than the CPU app, so I'd rather reserve the cores for it than not. At least on my machine, in general, the GPU does 8-10 times more work per thread than a CPU core. Of course, it WOULD be better to not have to make the choice, but you take what you can get....
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Message 1380327 - Posted: 12 Jun 2013, 16:31:33 UTC - in response to Message 1380242.  

Also, on another note: I notice that AP running on NVIDIA GPU uses a LOT of CPU - like around 90% or so of elapsed time. So I guess I will have to cut back on the cores for CPU computing appropriately to avoid big slowdowns. And on my GPU-only rig, which has a Core2 Duo, I can't really run 2 WUs per GPU, as the two cores will not support 4 WUs in a useful manner. At least, until I acquire a Core 2 Quad to run it with.


Yes you need to free a core for NV AP - I should have made the app_version entries that way, but plain forgot in the rush to get it all out.

I'm not really happy about that app, but seeing it's being handed out as stock, it could not be left out of the installer.


I used to reserve a full core for AP GPU WUs, but since v7 I've have reduced it to .5 and have had no problems running 2 WUs each on my GTX660SC GPUs.


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Message 1380333 - Posted: 12 Jun 2013, 16:47:00 UTC - in response to Message 1380327.  

Also, on another note: I notice that AP running on NVIDIA GPU uses a LOT of CPU - like around 90% or so of elapsed time. So I guess I will have to cut back on the cores for CPU computing appropriately to avoid big slowdowns. And on my GPU-only rig, which has a Core2 Duo, I can't really run 2 WUs per GPU, as the two cores will not support 4 WUs in a useful manner. At least, until I acquire a Core 2 Quad to run it with.


Yes you need to free a core for NV AP - I should have made the app_version entries that way, but plain forgot in the rush to get it all out.

I'm not really happy about that app, but seeing it's being handed out as stock, it could not be left out of the installer.


I used to reserve a full core for AP GPU WUs, but since v7 I've have reduced it to .5 and have had no problems running 2 WUs each on my GTX660SC GPUs.


You might only reserve 0.5 CPU core but it will use a full core anyways.
You have a strong CPU thats the reason it works for you.



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