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Message 1379281 - Posted: 10 Jun 2013, 10:28:19 UTC

Now, I like Canadians, I have family and friends both in Vancouver, and Toronto, and I find them nice people. But this Quebec lot are a whole different kettle of fish. Their problem is that they've never forgiven the British for beating the French in 1759 to take control of Quebec.

It's time they grew up, shame on you Quebec!

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Message 1379341 - Posted: 10 Jun 2013, 13:52:43 UTC - in response to Message 1379281.

Ah, looks like a Canadian ACLU is getting started. Bully for them. Get it sorted and do it right.

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Message 1379345 - Posted: 10 Jun 2013, 14:08:26 UTC
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Australia is kicking up as well over this. Well there is one very simple answer isn't there? We scrap the Commonwealth. We've given so many countries their independence now that what is left is hardly worth keeping anyway. Australia has long wanted to be a republic, so fine, let them all get on with it. We have a history of great Queens, Boudica, Elizabeth I, Victoria, Elizabeth II, let's have another one!

If these bolshie colonials want to upset the Mother Country's wishes, then the answer is simple, SOD OFF! We will do it without you. And people wonder why the British hate the French, well this is yet another reason. And I'll tell you what else as well. We dislike Brussels meddling with our laws as it is, but anyone who starts meddling with the British Monarchy will start WWIII. Every manjack of us from peasant, freeman, to nobleman, will man the barricades to defend the throne of England.

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Cry 'God for Harry, England, and Saint George!'


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Message 1379350 - Posted: 10 Jun 2013, 14:23:54 UTC - in response to Message 1379345.
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The Empire is Dead. Long Live the Empire!
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Message 1379354 - Posted: 10 Jun 2013, 14:28:49 UTC
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Come the revolution you'll be the first to get kicked out, your name is well up near the top of most lists :-))

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Message 1379375 - Posted: 10 Jun 2013, 15:09:10 UTC - in response to Message 1379350.



The Empire is Dead. Long Live the Empire!

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Message 1379384 - Posted: 10 Jun 2013, 15:19:11 UTC - in response to Message 1379354.

Come the revolution you'll be the first to get kicked out, your name is well up near the top of most lists :-))



I'll welcome it. Does that mean we can kick you lot out of Ulster?
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Message 1379396 - Posted: 10 Jun 2013, 15:40:41 UTC

Personally I would not be unhappy to let the Irish have Ulster and NI. We could then go back to having a United Kingdom of Great Britain. But the people of Northern Ireland have decided that they wish to remain under British rule, and we have to respect their wishes. But we digress this is a Canada thread.


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Message 1379422 - Posted: 10 Jun 2013, 16:23:22 UTC
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The old Empire has been dead now for some 65 years was it worth having? Nope,
it was just a load of hassle...thank goodness it has gone. Shame Brussels
hasn't realised this fact for unless it gives up it's shackles around Europe's
neck then there's a load of hassle in store for them.
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Message 1379446 - Posted: 10 Jun 2013, 17:02:09 UTC

I think the Empire was certainly worth it in it's day, but those days have long gone. Then after WWII it transitioned into the Commonwealth which was also worth it in the beginning. But we have given so much of it away with granting independence, that in the last few years I'm not sure that what is left is more of a hindrance than a benefit. But if Canada and Australia are going to be awkward about the future of the British monarchy, which is non-negotiable, then we either kick 'em out or disband it.

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Message 1379518 - Posted: 10 Jun 2013, 18:57:10 UTC

$50,147,000 was spent during the 2006-07 year.

I didn't do an extensive search, but that $50 million has most certainly increased since 2007.
If Canadians are paying tens of millions toward supporting the monarchy, I think those same citizens have the right to voice an opinion.

Personally, I would rather keep the cash in Canada and agree that the Windsors can do whatever they want in their own country.
As it stands, Canadian citizens still have the right to intervene and they are exercising that right.
Franco or Anglo in heritage means nothing in this discussion because the monarchy accepts the cheques from us without questioning ancestries.
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Message 1379567 - Posted: 10 Jun 2013, 20:23:47 UTC - in response to Message 1379518.

$50,147,000 was spent during the 2006-07 year.

I didn't do an extensive search, but that $50 million has most certainly increased since 2007.
If Canadians are paying tens of millions toward supporting the monarchy, I think those same citizens have the right to voice an opinion.

Personally, I would rather keep the cash in Canada and agree that the Windsors can do whatever they want in their own country.
As it stands, Canadian citizens still have the right to intervene and they are exercising that right.
Franco or Anglo in heritage means nothing in this discussion because the monarchy accepts the cheques from us without questioning ancestries.

I believe the only costs borne by the citizens commonwealth countries is the costs of the Governor General.

And in the UK the income from the Crown Estates, which is paid to the Government and not the Royal Family, exceeds the costs of supporting the monarchy. The Queen gets 15% of the Royal estates income.

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Message 1379642 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 1:01:30 UTC

http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/14/queen-costs-us-more-than-the-brits-pay/

From the article...
According to the latest figures out of Buckingham Palace, while Canadians are shelling out $1.53 per capita, the British are only paying about $1.32. And the Monarchist League’s own numbers show the Canadian cost is skyrocketing. Over just the last 10 years, the per capita bill for supporting the monarchist framework— including expenses incurred by the royal clan on Canadian soil, as well as the cost of running the offices of the Governor General and our 10 provincial lieutenant-governors—has more than doubled.
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Message 1379647 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 1:25:25 UTC - in response to Message 1379642.

As an outsider I would think the Queen is worth at least 1 1/2 Loonies.
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Message 1379671 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 3:35:54 UTC - in response to Message 1379642.

How much would it cost to have a president and don't forget to add in the costs for ex-presidents.

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Message 1379774 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 8:50:07 UTC

According to the latest figures out of Buckingham Palace, while Canadians are shelling out $1.53 per capita, the British are only paying about $1.32

Now those are interesting figures RW, and on the face of it a bit perplexing. If anything one would expect the British to be paying the most. But perhaps it is because of

as well as the cost of running the offices of the Governor General and our 10 provincial lieutenant-governors—has more than doubled.

We in the UK don't have paid for provincial Governors. Each County has a Lord Lieutenant & Deputy Lieutenant who meet Her majesty on visits on behalf of the County. They are unpaid ceremomial positions. Also the British Royal family has their own private wealth which is handed down through the generations, and which is regularly used for expenditure not covered by the Civil list. The Queen also receives an income from the Privy Purse mostly from the Duchy of Lancaster, and the Prince of Wales has income from the Duchy of Cornwall.

As you can see, the state only funds part of the entire Royal families annual expenditure, and that is their official duties. Those that don't want a Monarchy will always say that it costs too much. The majority of Canadians are quite happy to have the Queen as their head of state, it's only this grumpy lot in Quebec that don't like it.

As it stands, Canadian citizens still have the right to intervene and they are exercising that right.

From what I can see, there is a difference to being heard and having ones opinions taken into account, and just trying as a minority to scupper the wishes of the majority. If Canada as a whole wants true independence, then I can't see why they can't have it, same goes for Australia.

As an outsider I would think the Queen is worth at least 1 1/2 Loonies.

OK, just a 1/2 a one more to find then.

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Message 1379790 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 9:17:03 UTC

The other thing to consider is how much is spent when other Heads of State visit.
That would not be a small sum, and if it was considered as the price paid for all important visitors then it should not be included in the costs of Royal Family visits.

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Message 1379811 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 10:08:03 UTC

The costs of a State visit are borne by the treasury of the host country, i.e. the Government pays for it.

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Message 1379838 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 11:34:46 UTC - in response to Message 1379811.

The costs of a State visit are borne by the treasury of the host country, i.e. the Government pays for it.


I wonder, in comparison, what it cost's a country to run a president as against
a monarch. President's don't draw in tourism like monarchs do, especially where
the UK is concerned. Having a British monarchy is a milk-cow for foreign
revenue here, the British monarchy more than earn their keep.


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Message 1379843 - Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 11:46:41 UTC - in response to Message 1379811.

The costs of a State visit are borne by the treasury of the host country, i.e. the Government pays for it.


If you read the article they were lumping these costs in the the Canadian total costs for the Royal Family.

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