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Message 1378240 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 19:35:41 UTC

before I ask, I have seen a number of posts covering app_info.xml, but none of them seem to answer why it's missing from the the installation. On my event log I get the error message "07/06/2013 13:21:31 | SETI@home | Message from server: Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a usable version of SETI@home v7." Could anyone answer for me how to correct this and answer, why it's missing in the first place.

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Message 1378246 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 19:42:57 UTC - in response to Message 1378240.  
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before I ask, I have seen a number of posts covering app_info.xml, but none of them seem to answer why it's missing from the the installation. On my event log I get the error message "07/06/2013 13:21:31 | SETI@home | Message from server: Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a usable version of SETI@home v7." Could anyone answer for me how to correct this and answer, why it's missing in the first place.

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An app_info.xml is a file you compose that enables you to run your own applications, it is not there by default, if you didn't compose it with v7 applications in it, you won't get v7 work.

Eithier revert to the Stock apps by removing your app_info, reset the project, and restarting Boinc, or go and Install up to date v7 apps with the 0.41 Lunatics Installer.

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Message 1378286 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 21:39:54 UTC

To add to what Claggy said.

Stock SETI@home application does not have app_info.xml

Optimized SETI@home application (Example: Lunatics application) has app_info.xml



If you have stock seti app, you don't have app_info.xml so you can stop looking for it, it is not there.

If you have Lunatics app, then you have app_info.xml If you have an old one, you need to modify it. You can modify it manually (pain in the a$$) or you can use newest Lunatics installer to create new app_info.xml file, you choice how to do it.
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Message 1378585 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 14:41:22 UTC
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Thanks guys that's exactly what I thought. I am now downloading the 0.41 update and hopefully get V7 working fully. One question before I install the New 0.41 which Nvidia option do you think I should set mine to as I am running a GT640 which is a Kepler chipset?
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Message 1378589 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 14:54:32 UTC - in response to Message 1378585.  

Thanks guys that's exactly what I thought. I am now downloading the 0.41 update and hopefully get V7 working fully. One question before I install the New 0.41 which Nvidia option do you think I should set mine to as I am running a GT640 which is a Kepler chipset?

CUDA 5.0 - though CUDA 4.2 won't be far behind it.
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Message 1378591 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 14:57:32 UTC - in response to Message 1378585.  

Thanks guys that's exactly what I thought. I am now downloading the 0.41 update and hopefully get V7 working fully. One question before I install the New 0.41 which Nvidia option do you think I should set mine to as I am running a GT640 which is a Kepler chipset?

The Cuda5 app should be the most productive v7 GPU app on your host, you may or may not want to run the NV AP app, i don't know how productive it'll be, and you'll most likely need to free a CPU core for it too.

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Message 1378595 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 15:05:20 UTC
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Once again thanks guys. As you say Claggy the NV ap App maybe a luxery and may not improve anything on my system so I will have to try them out to find out either way!
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Message 1378598 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 15:11:05 UTC - in response to Message 1378595.  
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Once again thanks guys. As you say Claggy the NV ap App maybe a luxery and may not improve anything on my system so I will have to try them out to find out either way!

What RAC you gain with running it you may loose by only running 3 CPU cores, it may also be laggy on slower GPUs.

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Message 1378601 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 15:22:12 UTC - in response to Message 1378589.  

a Kepler

CUDA 5.0 - though CUDA 4.2 won't be far behind it.

Apparently not when using the stock application.

The other day, this user (Mark) reported a lot of invalid work. I checked and saw that his 660s were only getting stock cuda42 tasks, which then first were Completed, validation inconclusive, and later Completed, marked as invalid. I told him to force the use of the cuda50 app through the Lunatics installer. Since that time, although some still report as Completed, validation inconclusive, they do end up as valid.
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Message 1378603 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 15:37:26 UTC - in response to Message 1378598.  

I have it enabled and have found it using 0.04 CPU and 1 GPU. Which has not changed from previous. I also have team members who are asking if there is an installation guide available.
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Message 1378609 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 16:13:26 UTC - in response to Message 1378601.  

a Kepler

CUDA 5.0 - though CUDA 4.2 won't be far behind it.

Apparently not when using the stock application.

The other day, this user (Mark) reported a lot of invalid work. I checked and saw that his 660s were only getting stock cuda42 tasks, which then first were Completed, validation inconclusive, and later Completed, marked as invalid. I told him to force the use of the cuda50 app through the Lunatics installer. Since that time, although some still report as Completed, validation inconclusive, they do end up as valid.

A well-maintained and well-managed Kepler, like my Host 63280 at Beta (yes, that is mine - same machine as host 6910484), can run and has tested all the stock applications down to cuda32: fully compatible. It shouldn't even attempt cuda22 or cuda23, though.

Here at Main, with the optimised apps, I run cuda50 because that is the fastest in both theory and practice. If you've found a Kepler which can't run cuda42 reliably, then I suspect it has heating/power/timing/motherboard or any one of a host of other problems - Jason can give you the full list.
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Message 1378611 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 16:23:58 UTC - in response to Message 1378609.  

it would be nice if there was a list readily available for Cuda problems and solutions to hand Richard. Will there be a time when one is available or is this asking too much?
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Message 1378612 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 16:25:19 UTC - in response to Message 1378603.  

I have it enabled and have found it using 0.04 CPU and 1 GPU. Which has not changed from previous. I also have team members who are asking if there is an installation guide available.

What do you need, other than the release notes? They are at message 1375941, the very first post in the 'Lunatics Windows Installer v0.41 Release Notes' thread.

There are additional 'ReadMe' files in the installer itself: they mainly pertain to post-installation matters. The first team-member to install the apps could pass them on for re-distribution to other members, or you could extract them administratively (the installer package can be opened and files extracted using 7-zip) and host them.

The Team did intend to post an archive of the ReadMe files as part of the release, but we ran out of week before we got round to that - sorry. It's a little difficult to get hold of people with the necessary site admin priviledges at the weekend, but I'll see what we can do on Monday (we still have some hosting and upload issues for the package itself at Home Base Lunatics to sort out, too).
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Message 1378613 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 16:27:06 UTC - in response to Message 1378611.  

it would be nice if there was a list readily available for Cuda problems and solutions to hand Richard. Will there be a time when one is available or is this asking too much?

Again, the weekend is a tricky time to organise that, but it sounds like a good idea. I'll see if I can round up the usual suspects on Monday. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Message 1378615 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 16:31:30 UTC - in response to Message 1378613.  

it would be nice if there was a list readily available for Cuda problems and solutions to hand Richard. Will there be a time when one is available or is this asking too much?

Again, the weekend is a tricky time to organise that, but it sounds like a good idea. I'll see if I can round up the usual suspects on Monday. Thanks for the suggestion.


I think it would save you guys a hell of a lot of time answering questions like this :)
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Message 1378623 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 17:03:23 UTC

I can't seem to get the v7 executable (Linux x86_64) to download. I'm configured as anonymous-platform (in order to run the KWSN optimized astropulse application for the past year). I've tried the procedure, as suggested elsewhere ---
set NNT, drain all running tasks;
close/terminate boinc manager;
remove app_info.xml (renamed it to .bak);
restart boinc manager;
reset seti project.
That downloads all the *.png and slideshow* files but no executables! According to the table of currently available applications there is a 7.01 version (of setiathome V7) for the x86_64 linux platform. There isn't any message generated as to why the V7 is not downloaded and I've let the whole thing "simmer" for over 24 hours in hopes that the next seti update request would sort things out.
There is no GPU in the system, BTW. I would appreciate any ideas on how to resolve this situation. The last relevant event log messages are: ...your app_info.xml file doesn't have a suitable version of SETI@home V7...; ...preferences allow tasks from applications other than those selected; started download of ap_01jn...; and that astropulse application is now running.

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Message 1378629 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 17:22:41 UTC - in response to Message 1378623.  
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V7 should have downloaded automatically in the background and updated itself! Mine certainly did. Have you checked in the "About BOINC Manager" in the help menu? I had similar issues in the past and all I could do was to abort all current tasks and reinstall BOINC after a full restart.
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Message 1378710 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 22:14:03 UTC - in response to Message 1378623.  

I can't seem to get the v7 executable (Linux x86_64) to download. I'm configured as anonymous-platform (in order to run the KWSN optimized astropulse application for the past year). I've tried the procedure, as suggested elsewhere ---
set NNT, drain all running tasks;
close/terminate boinc manager;
remove app_info.xml (renamed it to .bak);
restart boinc manager;
reset seti project.
That downloads all the *.png and slideshow* files but no executables! According to the table of currently available applications there is a 7.01 version (of setiathome V7) for the x86_64 linux platform. There isn't any message generated as to why the V7 is not downloaded and I've let the whole thing "simmer" for over 24 hours in hopes that the next seti update request would sort things out.
There is no GPU in the system, BTW. I would appreciate any ideas on how to resolve this situation. The last relevant event log messages are: ...your app_info.xml file doesn't have a suitable version of SETI@home V7...; ...preferences allow tasks from applications other than those selected; started download of ap_01jn...; and that astropulse application is now running.

You're said you're restarted Boinc Manager, (Boinc Manager is the GUI), did you restart the Boinc client as well?

Please post your startup from the Event log, the first 20 to 30 lines will do.

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Message 1379177 - Posted: 10 Jun 2013, 2:04:06 UTC - in response to Message 1378710.  

O.K.: Did a boincmgr terminate AND a boinc (client) terminate; restarted boincmgr and did a seti project RESET and here is the event log...
At 17:31:47 the process looked like it was dormant, with no download activity, so after 10 minutes I "kicked" it with an "update" request.

09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] No config file found - using defaults
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] Starting BOINC client version 7.0.27 for x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] Libraries: libcurl/7.26.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1e zlib/1.2.7 libidn/1.25 libssh2/1.4.2 librtmp/2.3
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] Data directory: /home/gene/BOINC
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] Processor: 2 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 4050e [Family 15 Model 107 Stepping 2]
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] Processor: 512.00 KB cache
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow rep_good nopl extd_apicid pni cx16 lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy 3dnowprefetch lbrv
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] OS: Linux: 3.2.41-8
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] Memory: 1.96 GB physical, 10.00 GB virtual
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] Disk: 93.75 GB total, 76.08 GB free
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] Local time is UTC -7 hours
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] No usable GPUs found
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [SETI@home] State file error: missing application file ap_6.01r546_sse3_linux64
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [SETI@home] State file error: missing application file setiathome-5.28.x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [SETI@home] No application found for task: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu 601 ; discarding
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [SETI@home] State file error: result ap_14ja12ad_B1_P1_00288_20130609_25882.wu_1 not found for task
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] A new version of BOINC is available. <a href=http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php>Download it.</a>
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [Einstein@Home] URL http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID 3949388; resource share 50
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [NFS@Home] URL http://escatter11.fullerton.edu/nfs/; Computer ID 9923; resource share 50
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [Cosmology@Home] URL http://www.cosmologyathome.org/; Computer ID 73980; resource share 50
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [SETI@home] URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 4774476; resource share 100
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [SETI@home] General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 14-Dec-2011 11:39:48)
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [SETI@home] Computer location: home
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [SETI@home] General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] Reading preferences override file
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] Preferences:
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] max memory usage when active: 1804.28MB
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] max memory usage when idle: 1804.28MB
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] max disk usage: 3.00GB
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] don't use GPU while active
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 50 %
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] max download rate: 499999 bytes/sec
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] max upload rate: 50002 bytes/sec
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] (to change preferences, visit the web site of an attached project, or select Preferences in the Manager)
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] Not using a proxy
Initialization completed
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] Running CPU benchmarks
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] Suspending computation - CPU benchmarks in progress
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] Running CPU benchmarks
09-Jun-2013 17:27:03 [---] Running CPU benchmarks
09-Jun-2013 17:27:34 [---] Benchmark results:
09-Jun-2013 17:27:34 [---] Number of CPUs: 2
09-Jun-2013 17:27:34 [---] 1905 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
09-Jun-2013 17:27:34 [---] 8874 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
09-Jun-2013 17:27:35 [Einstein@Home] Restarting task LATeah0024U_1104.0_217280_0.0_1 using hsgamma_FGRP2 version 104 in slot 1
09-Jun-2013 17:27:35 [NFS@Home] Restarting task G3p706_800512_0 using lasieve5f version 110 in slot 2
09-Jun-2013 17:31:47 [SETI@home] Resetting project
09-Jun-2013 17:41:29 [SETI@home] update requested by user
09-Jun-2013 17:41:30 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
09-Jun-2013 17:41:30 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for CPU
09-Jun-2013 17:41:32 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks
09-Jun-2013 17:41:32 [SETI@home] Resent lost task ap_14ja12ad_B1_P1_00288_20130609_25882.wu_1
09-Jun-2013 17:41:34 [SETI@home] Started download of astropulse_6.03_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
09-Jun-2013 17:41:34 [SETI@home] Started download of astropulse_6.03_AUTHORS
09-Jun-2013 17:41:36 [SETI@home] Finished download of astropulse_6.03_AUTHORS
09-Jun-2013 17:41:36 [SETI@home] Started download of astropulse_6.03_COPYING
09-Jun-2013 17:41:37 [SETI@home] Finished download of astropulse_6.03_COPYING
09-Jun-2013 17:41:37 [SETI@home] Started download of astropulse_6.03_COPYRIGHT
09-Jun-2013 17:41:38 [SETI@home] Finished download of astropulse_6.03_COPYRIGHT
09-Jun-2013 17:41:38 [SETI@home] Started download of ap_graphics_6.03_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
09-Jun-2013 17:41:43 [SETI@home] Finished download of ap_graphics_6.03_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
09-Jun-2013 17:41:43 [SETI@home] Started download of ap_603.jpg
09-Jun-2013 17:41:44 [SETI@home] Finished download of ap_603.jpg
09-Jun-2013 17:41:44 [SETI@home] Started download of ap_14ja12ad_B1_P1_00288_20130609_25882.wu
09-Jun-2013 17:42:07 [SETI@home] Finished download of astropulse_6.03_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
09-Jun-2013 17:42:07 [SETI@home] Started download of arecibo_181.png
09-Jun-2013 17:42:08 [SETI@home] Finished download of arecibo_181.png
09-Jun-2013 17:42:08 [SETI@home] Started download of sah_40.png
09-Jun-2013 17:42:09 [SETI@home] Finished download of sah_40.png
09-Jun-2013 17:42:09 [SETI@home] Started download of sah_banner_290.png
09-Jun-2013 17:42:10 [SETI@home] Finished download of sah_banner_290.png
09-Jun-2013 17:42:10 [SETI@home] Started download of sah_ss_290.png
09-Jun-2013 17:42:12 [SETI@home] Finished download of sah_ss_290.png
09-Jun-2013 17:42:42 [SETI@home] Finished download of ap_14ja12ad_B1_P1_00288_20130609_25882.wu


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Message 1379189 - Posted: 10 Jun 2013, 3:32:13 UTC - in response to Message 1379177.  


Have you enabled v7 processing in your Seti account settings?
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