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Message 1377321 - Posted: 6 Jun 2013, 6:00:28 UTC
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BOINC is not detecting gpu RV635 - help suggestions?

6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.0.64 for windows_intelx86
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.25.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.6
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | Running as a daemon
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | Data directory: C:\Program Files\boinc
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | Running under account Administrator
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | Processor: 2 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ [Family 15 Model 107 Stepping 1]
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt pni cx16 syscall nx lm svm rdtscp 3dnowext 3dnow
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Media Center x86 Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | Memory: 3.25 GB physical, 5.09 GB virtual
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | Disk: 279.47 GB total, 85.29 GB free
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | Local time is UTC -5 hours
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | No usable GPUs found
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | SETI@home | Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI

GPU-Z 0.7.1 show this as ATI All-in-Wonder HD with GPU RV635.

Any help / suggestions.
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Message 1377361 - Posted: 6 Jun 2013, 8:52:24 UTC - in response to Message 1377321.

6/5/2013 10:52:14 PM | | Running as a daemon

Uninstall BOINC, reinstall it, third screen in the installer click Advanced.

Next uncheck Service Install.

And continue installation.

When BOINC is installed as a service, Windows is running the limited user account in a different as where the drivers and services are run from. Therefore BOINC cannot recognize the drivers, thus cannot detect the GPU.
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Message 1377477 - Posted: 6 Jun 2013, 14:35:53 UTC

Uninstall BOINC then uncheck "service install" - will try it.

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Message 1377707 - Posted: 6 Jun 2013, 23:57:14 UTC

Tried changes - no go.
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | No config file found - using defaults
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.0.64 for windows_intelx86
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.25.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.6
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | Data directory: C:\Program Files\boinc
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | Running under account Administrator
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | Processor: 2 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ [Family 15 Model 107 Stepping 1]
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt pni cx16 syscall nx lm svm rdtscp 3dnowext 3dnow
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Media Center x86 Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | Memory: 3.25 GB physical, 5.09 GB virtual
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | Disk: 279.47 GB total, 85.77 GB free
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | Local time is UTC -5 hours
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | No usable GPUs found
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | SETI@home | Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
6/6/2013 6:13:26 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI

Note process running under "administrator" no longer running as "deamon". Catalyst 13-1-legacy_xp32_dd_ccc_whql software drivers installed. MB is ASUS M2A-VM, has ATI 1250 gpu builtin, ALL IN WONDER HD with RV635 and another ATI tv receiver ATI 650.

plz help or provide suggestions.
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Message 1377725 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 0:58:42 UTC - in response to Message 1377707.
Last modified: 7 Jun 2013, 1:02:27 UTC

AMD's OpenCL support in Windows XP stopped with Catalyst 12.1, any driver after that no longer has OpenCL support in Windows XP. But then, you say it's RV635 and RV650? Those are a HD3650 and a HD3850 card? These don't have OpenCL support, only Brook+ (CAL). And then you're still better off installing a low driver.
See http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/previous/Pages/radeonaiw_xp.aspx for archived drivers. I'd go for 12.1

But they cannot be used on this project, although perhaps with the Lunatics Brook+ application. See this thread for more info on that and the other person trying to get old GPUs like that to work.
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Message 1377785 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 4:34:49 UTC

This machine is used as Media Center 2005 for watching/DVR programs. Otherwise it is idle. I have loaded BOINC on it. Have two other machines running ASUS Motherboards and on same version Catalyst drivers. These gpus are correctly detected by BOINC both machines have gpus builtin on motherboard.

Media Center 2005 machine has ASUS M2A-VM motherboard that has a buitin Radeon x1250 gpu (disabled/not in used). On PCIe x16 slot it has a ATI All-in-Wonder HD that has tv receiver(tuner) and RV635 gpu. GPU-Z correctly identifies the ATI All-in-Wonder HD as having a RV635.
http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/13/06/07/efs.png


Question is why BOINC is NOT detecting gpu - is the disabled motherboard x1250 gpu causing conflict? This ATI All-in-Wonder HD is NOT a plain HD3650 or HD3850 adapter.

I cannot used the alternative Brook+ until BOINC identifies the gpu. I may have to downgrade to ealier version of Catalyst but hoping to stay with latest available drivers.

Again thz for ideas and suggestions.
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Message 1377961 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 10:29:38 UTC - in response to Message 1377785.

I may have to downgrade to ealier version of Catalyst but hoping to stay with latest available drivers.

Since 12.10 the Catalyst drivers are no longer updated for Windows XP. They are 'maintenance updates' only. You don't get the latest stability entries for games and programs in them anymore.

Now, I looked deeper into these cards, and they may both be 3650s with a TV-tuner. How much memory is on either of them?
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Message 1378010 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 13:17:54 UTC - in response to Message 1377785.
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Have two other machines running ASUS Motherboards and on same version Catalyst drivers. These gpus are correctly detected by BOINC both machines have gpus builtin on motherboard.


The other computers in your account are running Windows Vista and Windows 7, both of which still contain the OpenCL component in the current drivers. As Jord said, the OpenCL component for Windows XP drivers has been removed from recent releases. Only older releases will contain the OpenCL SDK.

Question is why BOINC is NOT detecting gpu - is the disabled motherboard x1250 gpu causing conflict? This ATI All-in-Wonder HD is NOT a plain HD3650 or HD3850 adapter.


BOINC detects the presence of CUDA or OpenCL. If it does not detect the presence of CUDA or OpenCL, it will not crunch on them. See note above on why your Windows XP machine doesn't have OpenCL included.

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Message 1378083 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 15:24:23 UTC - in response to Message 1378010.
Last modified: 7 Jun 2013, 15:30:25 UTC

Thanks for the clearer explanation, Charlie.
I must stress though that the RV635 is NOT OpenCL capable. OpenCL 1.0 support with the ATI Stream SDK v2.0 is only available for the following GPUs and newer:

ATI Radeon™ HD 5870
ATI Radeon™ HD 5850
ATI Radeon™ HD 5770
ATI Radeon™ HD 5750
ATI Radeon™ HD 4890
ATI Radeon™ HD 4870 X2
ATI Radeon™ HD 4870
ATI Radeon™ HD 4850 X2
ATI Radeon™ HD 4850
ATI Radeon™ HD 4830
ATI Radeon™ HD 4770
ATI Radeon™ HD 4670
ATI Radeon™ HD 4650
ATI Radeon™ HD 4550
ATI Radeon™ HD 4350

ATI FirePro™ V8750
ATI FirePro™ V8700
ATI FirePro™ V7750
ATI FirePro™ V5700
ATI FirePro™ V3750

AMD FireStream™ 9270
AMD FireStream™ 9250

ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4870
ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4860
ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4850 X2
ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4850
ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4830
ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4670
ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4650
ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4500 Series
ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4300 Series

ATI Mobility FirePro™ M7740

ATI Radeon™ Embedded E4690 Discrete GPU


Meaning that OpenCL 1.0 support is on a minimum of HD4350.
But also not here at Seti. The minimum AMD GPU you need here for OpenCL support is the HD4850 (RV770).

Having said that, again, the Lunatics installer has a Brook+ Astropulse application that can run on AMD/ATi HD2xxx, HD3xxx and pre-APU onboard ATi GPUs.
Which then needs a driver that does install CAL support. Now, it is possible that the All-in-Wonder cards just aren't capable of CAL (Brook+).
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Message 1378117 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 16:26:49 UTC - in response to Message 1377961.

The ATI All-in-Wonder HD has 512MB ref GPU-Z.

Waste of gpu and memory - idle most of time. Will see if I can load VISTA or Win 7 to see if I get same Media Center functionality and the advantage of these later OSes. Stayed on XP MCE for use of tv tuners and DVR capabilities using other nonWindows DVR and media centers- got used to Catalyst Media Center 9.16 for DVR and streaming to household of time shifted programs using multiple tuners - clear cable, DTV of air(OTA DTV) etc.

But first I'll drowngrade Catalyst.

THZ for ideas and help.
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Message 1378179 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 17:42:49 UTC - in response to Message 1378117.

According to the information Jord posted, your All-in-Wonder still won't work even if you downgrade the driver due to your HD 3xxx series missing OpenCL support in the hardware. As Jord said, the best you can get on your HD 3xxx series is to use a special "Brook" app (ATi's proprietary API for crunching pre-OpenCL, not compatible with OpenCL apps) in order to utilize it.

Since you wish to remain on XP, your best bet is to see if you can upgrade to an HD 4xxx series All-in-wonder if you want to use the stock OpenCL application, as the HD 4xxx series should still work with XP in the older Catalyst releases.

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Message 1378180 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 17:50:14 UTC - in response to Message 1378179.

HD 4xxx series All-in-wonder

Those don't exist. The last All-in-Wonder was the HD3650. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-in-Wonder
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Message 1378201 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 18:26:51 UTC - in response to Message 1378180.

Ah. Well then a standard video card + TV tuner? Hauppauge makes some decent ones from what I hear.

Don't know if he'd want to spend all that money in upgrading though. If not, then the Brook app is the only way to go, or not use the GPU at all.

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Message 1378490 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 6:30:39 UTC

Without BOINC recognition of gpu aka "CAL: ATI GPU 0:" the system won't be able to use the Brook+ app. Is there a way to work around this?
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Message 1378544 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 10:28:09 UTC - in response to Message 1378490.

No. When BOINC doesn't know if your GPU is capable of doing anything, then how do you think it can be used? Have you tried the older drivers yet, 12.1 or before?
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