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Message 1374692 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 10:43:51 UTC

Although I've only had a few V7 units validate so far it appears that it is taking around twice as long to crunch and doing twice as many flops to earn the same credit as an old MB unit.

With MB, running 2 units per GPU, to earn ~90 credits would take around 450 seconds and around 27.5 TFlops.

For V7, running one unit per GPU. To earn ~90 credits, it's taking around 475 seconds per unit (i.e. twice as long) and around 52.3 TFlops (approx twice as many)

This appears to be consistent across all AR's.

Is anyone else seeing this ?

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Message 1374698 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 10:51:21 UTC - in response to Message 1374692.

Yup ,I posted on MSattler's thread, I worked it out as even worse ( but I was a bit tired ! )

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Message 1374699 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 10:53:58 UTC - in response to Message 1374692.
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I made several post related to that asking why that happens, yes V7 thakes longer to crunch and "paid" a lot of less credit per WU than V6 but as Jasons try to explain me on his answer it´s because the way the RAC works, something like: since most of the V7 validated results are comming (for now) from very fast crunchers the servers "think" they are "easy tasks" and gives few credit to it´s, he belive that will be sorted with the time as slow results starts to come back. Something we all agree Credit New RAC is a "black hole" that makes little sense to most of us.
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Message 1374706 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 11:03:29 UTC


At beta we got almost the same cr per wu like here.
Why not giving the servers a chance to balance out.
Of course they take longer.

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Message 1374716 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 11:23:36 UTC

Thanks for the answers people.

I suspected the question might have been asked before but the various V7 threads have so many posts in them I couldn't find the answer.

Yes Mike, now I know the reason, I will be patient :)

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Message 1374720 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 11:34:39 UTC - in response to Message 1374698.

yes i have.. upsets me ... at first thought it was my pc ..if something works good .. don't mess with it grrr .. you try and have a good day..later
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Message 1374725 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 11:44:36 UTC - in response to Message 1374720.

Yep, the credit you get sux compared to v6 mate.

I just don't know why they stick with all this complexity when they keep revising down the credits earned on each change they implement. They're heading towards 1 credit per WU, so why not just go there and be done with it.


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Message 1374727 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 11:49:46 UTC
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Remember each of your wingmen needs to have finnished at least 10 non outlier units to claim full credit.

This may take some time.
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Message 1374767 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 14:43:53 UTC
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I used x41zc with SAH Enhanced, switched directly to SAH v7 (both entries in app_info.xml one week before SAHv7 rolled out ;-)
(It has advantages to be a SAH-beta tester. ;-)

With SAH Enhanced: ~ 21,400 RAC.
With SAHv7: look left.
After ~ 2 1/2 days?

We're all in the same boat.
We can still compare SAH and SAH members/hosts/teams...

If CreditNew will not balance out to the Credits/day like before, I see the danger that SAH will lose members (credit junkies).


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Message 1374823 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 16:11:47 UTC - in response to Message 1374727.

Remember each of your wingmen needs to have finnished at least 10 non outlier units to claim full credit.

This may take some time.


This is V6 ap tasks....

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6910524&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=

Any idea what is happening here Mike??

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Message 1374828 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 16:17:50 UTC - in response to Message 1374823.

Remember each of your wingmen needs to have finnished at least 10 non outlier units to claim full credit.

This may take some time.


This is V6 ap tasks....

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6910524&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=

Any idea what is happening here Mike??


Not really, sorry.
It might be server related.
I will check this a few days.

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Message 1374833 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 16:23:20 UTC - in response to Message 1374829.
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Now that I think about it, I actually had envisioned credits going UP, what with the increased crunch time and all.


Exactly

As far as the server is concerned, the tasks returned so far finished quickly & so were 'easy' and not worth much

Wait for the slow CPU hosts to report in over the next week or so. My guess is they outnumber the fast GPU crunchers still by a factor of 5-10 or more.

Statistics is a funny game. It depends on what you are measuring.
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Message 1374836 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 16:25:39 UTC - in response to Message 1374828.

Remember each of your wingmen needs to have finnished at least 10 non outlier units to claim full credit.

This may take some time.


This is V6 ap tasks....

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6910524&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=

Any idea what is happening here Mike??


Not really, sorry.
It might be server related.
I will check this a few days.


I'm beginning to get those extremely low AP credits too. At a first glance it does seem to be connected with the release of the new MB v7. When paired to someone who does the new MB v7 AND AP v6, AP v6 tends to suffer from the low credit the new MB v7 gets now (initially I hope)

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1256623028
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Message 1374843 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 16:34:06 UTC - in response to Message 1374839.

The kitties ain't gonna waste much time sweating it out.

It is what it is, and as I have stated before, what the project does to me, it does to everyone else as well.

The only downside I see is that Seti, which before this was considered a low paying project, is even lower now.
And I would hope that would not dissuade some from participating if creds are a factor in their decision.

You all know it is not a factor in mine.


If people leave because of that Mark, the easier it will be for us who stay, to get work.

LOL
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Message 1374851 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 16:49:04 UTC - in response to Message 1374829.

Remember each of your wingmen needs to have finnished at least 10 non outlier units to claim full credit.

This may take some time.


This is V6 ap tasks....

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6910524&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=

Any idea what is happening here Mike??


Not really, sorry.
It might be server related.
I will check this a few days.

Now that I think about it, I actually had envisioned credits going UP, what with the increased crunch time and all.


Like i said, i`m running V7 for over 2 years at beta.
I always got aprox 100cr for a mid range task no matter which app i was running and how long it took.

Lets wait and see.

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