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Message 1377980 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 11:22:47 UTC - in response to Message 1377968.  

@Vipin - If someday i go to middle east i will leave some for you, it´s a promise, i just need to win the lottery before...

Thanks for the offer Juan, however, I may just make another trip to Sao Paolo to meet my friends there and drop in to say Hi to you, provided I have saved enough, lol...

My RAC continues to fall, not that it bothers me, although it pains to see that lots of folk out there are in this just for the sake of credit and forget the true purpose behind all this - Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence.
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Message 1377982 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 11:30:33 UTC - in response to Message 1377980.  

@Vipin - If someday i go to middle east i will leave some for you, it´s a promise, i just need to win the lottery before...

Thanks for the offer Juan, however, I may just make another trip to Sao Paolo to meet my friends there and drop in to say Hi to you, provided I have saved enough, lol...

That´s will be great, we could even plan and ask Firehawk to meet us and spend some good time.

My RAC continues to fall, not that it bothers me, although it pains to see that lots of folk out there are in this just for the sake of credit and forget the true purpose behind all this - Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence.

I agree with you is RAC falling is bad but is secondary to the science, the main focus for me is the Vlars on GPUs (at least on some Nvidias models) my hosts can´t realy handled them and i can´t find a way to automaticaly abort them.
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Message 1378023 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 13:42:55 UTC - in response to Message 1377941.  

Did I really? I'd forgotten that.

We both need mental (or memory) strengthening meds, I think. :)

Or another beer.....

http://tinyurl.com/2jcyk7 :)

Apropos, my BOINC finally adjusted the Estimated times (remaining). Sobering to see 15h tasks be at 1h45m. :)

Okay, a rootbeer, then ... and continued success in your efforts....
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Message 1378025 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 13:46:24 UTC

Everything seems normal to me thus far.

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Message 1378055 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 14:47:28 UTC - in response to Message 1377960.  

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I am absolutely certain that Eric and the SETI@home project had no deliberate intention to reduce the absolute rate of credit as a part of this v7 rollout.
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I think your standing on a desert island all by your self on this one.

first opinions are usually correct. if it walks like a duck, quakes like a duck, it is a duck.
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Message 1378064 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 15:00:23 UTC - in response to Message 1378055.  

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I am absolutely certain that Eric and the SETI@home project had no deliberate intention to reduce the absolute rate of credit as a part of this v7 rollout.
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I think your standing on a desert island all by your self on this one.

first opinions are usually correct. if it walks like a duck, quakes like a duck, it is a duck.

Well not quite Richard has my company, I do not believe it is a deliberate plot to cut RAC.

Actually just typing that made me smile, lets try again "Eric and the team are involved in a deliberate plot to cut RAC". WHAT?
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Message 1378065 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 15:00:24 UTC - in response to Message 1378055.  

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I am absolutely certain that Eric and the SETI@home project had no deliberate intention to reduce the absolute rate of credit as a part of this v7 rollout.
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I think your standing on a desert island all by your self on this one.

first opinions are usually correct. if it walks like a duck, quakes like a duck, it is a duck.

Conversely, what is your reasoning or evidence for concluding it was deliberate?

My version of that saying is that if it looks like a cock-up, smells like a cock-up, then it probably was a cock-up.
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Message 1378075 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 15:13:20 UTC - in response to Message 1377953.  

Well it's an abritrary number. [snip] ...The fuss people are making about those numbers is comepletely emotional.

It's like when we got the Euro and you suddenly had 1000€ instead of 2000 DM.


That would be true if V7 WUs had fewer floating point operations per task, so no... it's not the same. CreditNew may be a random number generator but it still has a Cobblestone heart. And a Cobblestone is just a randomly chosen yet constant amount of floating point operations.

To use your example: 1000€ cost 3000 DM all of a sudden because the exchange rate that was supposed to remain constant, got skewed.

I know you are good at math and know this stuff already, so I'm guessing its the schizophrenic nature of CreditNew that tripped you up:)
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Message 1378079 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 15:18:31 UTC - in response to Message 1378065.  

Though on a more positive note, it does appear that at least my RAC's plunge is flattening out from a nose dive to more of a belly landing. So, there might be hope to be found in this mess after all.
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Message 1378088 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 15:32:22 UTC
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Though on a more positive note, it does appear that at least my RAC's plunge is flattening out from a nose dive to more of a belly landing. So, there might be hope to be found in this mess after all.
Hope that happens soon, so I can read about something other than CreditFew. My BoincTask graph looks like the one HAL900 posted in this message, except my decline looks worse since I only plot 3 months worth. No sign of flattening yet.

Still crunching, figure someone will address the issues someday.
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Message 1378097 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 15:39:06 UTC
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The RAC continues to fall at this rate because we try to find an ET base in the bottom of the sea...

Daily production of +/-140k with 7 hosts running 24/7 with a combination of 11 GPU´s (all Fermis and Kepplers, 580 and up), not mention the CPU Work, somebody must be kidding me... CreditNew is more than a Random Number Generator is a black hole for credits.

My only hope is because my beer stock is very big.
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Message 1378118 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 16:29:29 UTC - in response to Message 1378064.  

I love it when Lemmings all stick together whilst happily jumping off bottomless cliffs.

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I am absolutely certain that Eric and the SETI@home project had no deliberate intention to reduce the absolute rate of credit as a part of this v7 rollout.
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I think your standing on a desert island all by your self on this one.

first opinions are usually correct. if it walks like a duck, quakes like a duck, it is a duck.

Well not quite Richard has my company, I do not believe it is a deliberate plot to cut RAC.

Actually just typing that made me smile, lets try again "Eric and the team are involved in a deliberate plot to cut RAC". WHAT?


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Message 1378127 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 16:41:08 UTC - in response to Message 1377938.  

Come on msattler please tell me this post was if nothing else tongue in cheek. SETI is at best pseudo "fringe" science whilst Einstein is peer reviewed rock solid science. Do you even know who Einstein was me wonders ???

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The ship is fine, man.

Only the representative RAC figures are going down.

I shall remain here, doing much more valid science than you are over at Einstein.

Ooops......I forgot, Einstein grants much more credit than Seti, therefore their work is much more valid....

Sorry.



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Message 1378134 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 16:47:34 UTC - in response to Message 1378065.  

The underlying problem with so many of the issues with this project can be attributed to the fact that nobody actually in HQ keeps the community updated and its left to distant collaborating colleagues to say what they believe may be happening.


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I am absolutely certain that Eric and the SETI@home project had no deliberate intention to reduce the absolute rate of credit as a part of this v7 rollout.
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I think your standing on a desert island all by your self on this one.

first opinions are usually correct. if it walks like a duck, quakes like a duck, it is a duck.

Conversely, what is your reasoning or evidence for concluding it was deliberate?

My version of that saying is that if it looks like a cock-up, smells like a cock-up, then it probably was a cock-up.


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Message 1378145 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 17:04:51 UTC - in response to Message 1378134.  

The underlying problem with so many of the issues with this project can be attributed to the fact that nobody actually in HQ keeps the community updated and its left to distant collaborating colleagues to say what they believe may be happening.



And I'll counter that by saying the problem lies with some who, in the absence of factual information from HQ, assume that their hypothesis must be the only real answer.
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Message 1378146 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 17:05:19 UTC - in response to Message 1378118.  

I love it when Lemmings all stick together whilst happily jumping off bottomless cliffs.

That's a myth with no truth behind it, you know that? It's made up by Walt Disney.

Now then, running away when your RAC goes down, what does that solve? It's not as if RAC is life's first true requirement, you don't get foreclosure when your RAC goes below a certain value. It's an average. Averages go up, averages go down. If they didn't, they'd be constants. Ever heard of a constant average?

Anyway, think you're the first one to stop due to credit or RAC? I just searched a bit and found this beauty. When you skim through it, notice all of the zero RAC people in it. Also notice the date.

As for project people communicating with the users, we all know that that happens when they've got time. I'm sure they're doing a lot of other things besides Seti. But if that's also one of the factoids why you say goodbye, then do so, say goodbye and be done with it.
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Message 1378178 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 17:40:37 UTC - in response to Message 1378146.  

Anyway, think you're the first one to stop due to credit or RAC? I just searched a bit and found this beauty. When you skim through it, notice all of the zero RAC people in it. Also notice the date.

And look at the non-zero ones, too. I'm sorry we lost 1mp0£173, though - he was a valued and skilled contributor to these message boards (look at his posting history), but he was driven away by the constant carping.
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Message 1378186 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 18:03:35 UTC - in response to Message 1377938.  

Ooops......I forgot, Einstein grants much more credit than Seti, therefore their work is much more valid....

Mark, that is not necessarily true. My venerable P4 w a PCI GT430 could not break 2K w Einstein, but when I switched it to AP only it was easily holding 2500. Now it lives in a new world w V7 and opt apps and it'l go under 1K the way things are.
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Message 1378195 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 18:21:23 UTC - in response to Message 1378186.  
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Ooops......I forgot, Einstein grants much more credit than Seti, therefore their work is much more valid....

Mark, that is not necessarily true. My venerable P4 w a PCI GT430 could not break 2K w Einstein, but when I switched it to AP only it was easily holding 2500. Now it lives in a new world w V7 and opt apps and it'l go under 1K the way things are.

OK, so maybe I wuz being a little tongue in cheeky there when making the joust.

My point was....
If credits are more important to you than this particular bit of science, feel free to head on over to some of the higher paying projects to massage your iron poor, tired RACs.

I'm staying here. Credits will either go back to previous levels or we shall have a new norm.

Either way, I am fine with it.
Wherever my RAC settles out, it shall always reflect the amount of work I do here and my commitment to this project.

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Message 1378218 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 18:51:00 UTC - in response to Message 1374170.  

The fall in credit was most definitely not deliberate. I wouldn't even know how to cause such a thing using the BOINC credit new. I had assumed it was a case of "fast machines report results first" which usually drives the granted credit to low values when a new version is released, but there should have been ample time for that to fix itself.

Of course the corollary is that I haven't figured out how to fix it yet.

My RAC has gone down by less than 10%. Is this worse for people using anonymous platform?
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