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Message 1374483 - Posted: 31 May 2013, 19:07:36 UTC

At least something positive... With MB credits more than halved, Astropulse is now the king again!
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Message 1374507 - Posted: 31 May 2013, 19:53:29 UTC - in response to Message 1374483.  

AP is king as long as you don't get a string of them that are 90% radar blanked.
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Message 1374537 - Posted: 31 May 2013, 21:17:16 UTC - in response to Message 1374155.  

The kitties have been doing a lot of v7........
Just wondered if the RAC had been doing what.

Mine is dropping. Might just be to do with advanced amounts in cache.
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Not analyzed it all yet.

Do not read more into it than the data I have been able to collect, I was just asking for input.

Stick is non responsive, stuck in dive, must reach ejection handles, for ejection, pilot blacks out... ;)
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Message 1374545 - Posted: 31 May 2013, 21:39:06 UTC - in response to Message 1374183.  
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MB v7 tasks are being assigned shockingly low credit scores (like 30%-50% of what v6 was giving on average).



Khangollo, yes I have noticed that to.

Overall the boxes are now running at 10% lower RAC than before the change and the trend indicates that the decline still has someway to go.

ps. All my boxes were using x41zc before migration to v7.
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Message 1374556 - Posted: 31 May 2013, 22:21:59 UTC

With 41zc,running 2 WUs on my 660ti,it worked out roughly 700 seconds = @100 toaster points.
Now running 1 V7 WU, 700 seconds = @35 toaster points.

Way Way down. 200/35= about 17.5% credit for the same time it takes to complete.
If I had just run 1 WU using 41zc ,the 700 seconds would have dropped to about 500 seconds which would work out at 140/35 = 25% credit for the same WU.

(if my adding up etc is correct ?)

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Message 1374817 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 15:55:00 UTC
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Pull UP, Pull UP, Pull UP.

No response from the ol' RAC meter.
510k now....I was running up to near 560k.

The only other thing in play here, which I am aware of, is that I am losing a few percent here and there due to only running 1 task per GPU.

I did check a couple of rigs though, and I am still getting high 90 percentiles of usage, so it's not a tragic thingy.

And, it's not looking any prettier today.
If you look at my sig, I at about 11:00AM today, have about 190K creds in the bank.

Before rollout, I usually had 400K + by this time of the day.
Pending credits are a bit high, 8922 pending VS 3520 valid, but that does not account for the whole thingy...

It is tanking badly.

Meeeeeeeouch.

Oh, well. If it's killing me, it is whacking everybody else just as badly.
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Message 1374838 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 16:30:56 UTC

I'm seeing a surge on waiting for validation which does lower my RAC. I attribute this to the big boys washing their hands of MB and going to V7, which means the average crunch speed of those with MB still in cache is getting slower and slower.

Sure, comparing V7 and MB results is showing a marked decrease in credit/hr. But it's about the science and not bragging rights right guys?

Hello? Tap, tap, hello?
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Message 1374847 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 16:41:29 UTC - in response to Message 1374838.  

I'm seeing a surge on waiting for validation which does lower my RAC. I attribute this to the big boys washing their hands of MB and going to V7, which means the average crunch speed of those with MB still in cache is getting slower and slower.

Sure, comparing V7 and MB results is showing a marked decrease in credit/hr. But it's about the science and not bragging rights right guys?

Hello? Tap, tap, hello?

Is this thingy on???

BUZZZZZZZZZ HMMMMMMMMMMMMM CRACKLE>>>>>>>>>>
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Message 1374966 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 21:39:55 UTC - in response to Message 1374838.  

...it's about the science and not bragging rights right guys?...


Keith, RAC and Science are synonymous. The more science you do, the higher the RAC. In short RAC = Science. However, in the case of v7, what appears to be happening is that people are doing more science and getting less credit for it.



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Message 1374969 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 21:40:38 UTC

Hhhmmm...

I think the word I am searching for is "FREEFALL"

To quote the kitty owner, "Meeeouch!"

I would guess cuda task are returning 25-35% of pre-V7 credit, CPU based units 10-20% of pre-V7 and AP units about the same decrease. This should take my RAC from 85K+ to around 20K. WOO-HOO!
On the plus side, my old, old, old Win 2000 box with the AMD Athlon XP (still runing off "optimised" V6) is up about 5% - I was going to keep it on-line `till it hit 1,000,000 [nov 2018], maybe july 2018 now!


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Message 1375130 - Posted: 2 Jun 2013, 6:03:59 UTC

My main rig's RAC has dropped by 20k

As I did a manual install of V7, I still have V6 in my app_info file, but I haven't received any V6 resends as yet.

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Message 1375150 - Posted: 2 Jun 2013, 6:59:25 UTC - in response to Message 1375130.  

The RAC's may be dropping but my rigs are still climbing up the ladder passing others so it isn't all bad.

Cheers.
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Message 1375274 - Posted: 2 Jun 2013, 10:04:46 UTC - in response to Message 1374966.  

...it's about the science and not bragging rights right guys?...


Keith, RAC and Science are synonymous. The more science you do, the higher the RAC. In short RAC = Science. However, in the case of v7, what appears to be happening is that people are doing more science and getting less credit for it.




A completed valid unit is science. RAC is merely a way to keep score that has been abused time and time again with various schemes to inflate one's RAC for bragging rights.

If everyone is getting less credit, the field is still level within the project. Inter project comparison would be a problem but frankly I don't care about that since Seti is my only project.
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Message 1375287 - Posted: 2 Jun 2013, 11:19:49 UTC
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pilot appears to have slightly pulled back on the stick, what was about a 75 degree dive is now roughly 60. Que is full of AP's, only a few 6.03's. Holding onto the rungs of the ladder with both hands. I hope the Lunatics site is ready for the slamming it will take when the new apps are out

Update....I was wrong.....now in full fledged free fall again
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Message 1375306 - Posted: 2 Jun 2013, 12:08:16 UTC
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Don't worry, you'll level off at 1/3 of you current RAC. Depends on if you're running astropulse and how much.
You don't have to observe RAC falling, just a quick look at validated tasks can tell you, credits given are 1/4-1/3 of what they should have been in order to be on par with v6 and especially Astropulse.
Now they are running two sub-projects with vastly different crediting and this isn't right. I don't believe it will "fix by itself" (classic seti@home thinking...) but some factors need to be adjusted.
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Message 1375312 - Posted: 2 Jun 2013, 12:24:17 UTC - in response to Message 1375306.  

Once all those people out there running slow rigs get really going then those credit numbers should hopefully start climbing back up (so I've gathered) but we're all in the same boat so we are all on a level playing field.

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Message 1375416 - Posted: 2 Jun 2013, 15:19:38 UTC - in response to Message 1374183.  
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MB v7 tasks are being assigned shockingly low credit scores (like 30%-50% of what v6 was giving on average).

Yes, if was programmed to give less rac for reasons I can't comprehend.

Also my Astropulse nvidia credit is one fifth when my partner is an ATI GPU!!!

To run more the one app at a time on you GPU, you will need to creat an app_config.xml file:


<app_config>
<app>
<name>setiathome_v7</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0.5</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>

<app>
<name>setiathome_enhanced</name> 
<max_concurrent>6</max_concurrent> 
<gpu_versions> 
<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage> 
<cpu_usage>0.5</cpu_usage> 
</gpu_versions> 
</app> 

<app>
<name>astropulse_v6</name>
<max_concurrent>6</max_concurrent>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>.50</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>1.0</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>

</app_config>

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Message 1375450 - Posted: 2 Jun 2013, 16:41:11 UTC

It is well known that Dr Anderson uses Seti@Home, and other Boinc Projects
he has influence over, to compensate for projects running under the
Boinc paradigm that are overgenerous with the credit thingy.
Projects like MooPoopWrapper@Home or WilkyWayBar@Home can not be bullied into
a state of diminished credit returns, so in order to lend credence to the
Boinc Paradigm other projects must under compensate.
Dr Anderson's main claim to fame is the Boinc Framework for DC.
Seti@Home is a major buttress in this framework.

If one were to look at just the Boinc Stats one would assume that projects like
Moo and Milky are some of the most successful projects running under the Boinc banner. lol.
Looking at it from just the Boinc Credit aspect totally ignores the dedication of
Setizens that donate talent, resources, and money, to what is the foundation of Boinc.
And yet every time Seti@Home has a major remodeling Dr Anderson tightens the screws
so that there's no "Welcome Surprise" but rather a "Suck It Up this is Boinc/Science".

I suggest that Dr A. get himself an intern specializing in PR.



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Message 1375454 - Posted: 2 Jun 2013, 16:49:02 UTC - in response to Message 1375450.  
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And some of us shall just continue our dedication to the Seti project regardless of what is thrown our way.

As I have stated, and others have also stated, what the ol' random number generator kicks out for me is about the same for everybody else on Seti. So, regardless of what it may be appearing to do to my stats, the playing field here on Seti is still the same for all here. And my RAC is STILL dropping.

The other projects mentioned can kick out all the creds they want, and if that makes some folks feel better about their participation there, so be it.

It's not gonna draw me away from Seti.

Although, I have often wondered just for kicks what my RAC could look like if I spent a month with this farm attached elsewhere.....LOL.

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Message 1375456 - Posted: 2 Jun 2013, 16:53:02 UTC
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I CAN block V7... So take that doc!

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