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Message 1374982 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 21:59:47 UTC - in response to Message 1374979.

Donald - yes BOINC running SETI@home only still worked (apparently) on V7. But at the sacrifice of the command buttons defunct is not worth the hassle. I was running in a Windows XP pro SP3 limited user account and not only did it eff-up all 3 of the top browsers in there.. even in Adminstrator account after rebbot, the browsers were somehow blocked from any website like the default - berkely. edu or whatever - DUDE I JUST LOST EVERYTHING AND FORMATTED MY PC!!!
I'm just so over this crap. Heads are gonna roll - I can see others are peed besides me.


It sounds like you got a virus. With the number of users running the Lunatics optimized applications, I'd imagine if it were they who were responsible for this, others would be having the same issue.

I have used the optimized applications for many years myself, and I can attest to their code work being very clean.

So before you go around throwing accusations at people on this forum, I suggest you make sure you have all the evidence you need to back yourself up. Assumptions and anecdotes do not make proof-positive data!


SETI with all the pages were down during many hours last night (late your time) No connection to the database, or anything. It was a Berkely wide network problem. http://ucbsystems.org/

And the result was that he formatted his computer drive?

No further comments necessary.


But he said:

the browsers were somehow blocked from any website


So I took that to mean he got a rootkit virus. But if indeed he reformatted his computer because the servers were down last night (I know, I couldn't access them either), then that is a very paranoid thought that could have been avoided with just a little extra trouble-shooting.

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Message 1374985 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 22:07:40 UTC

Maybe postid=1374920 could be interesting for the admins.

(...)
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6910524&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=
(...)

I looked to a few results with very low and with normal AP Credits/WU.

If your 'AstroPulse v6 v6.04 (opencl_ati_100)' results will compared with stock OpenCL app results: low Cr.
If your 'AstroPulse v6 v6.04 (opencl_ati_100)' results will compared with 'anonymous platform' results: normal Cr.

Hmm...

Maybe the admins need to look.



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Message 1374987 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 22:15:08 UTC - in response to Message 1374982.
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NO! Another case of me being at the wrong website at the wrong time? I'm so able to be wrong - and apologize. The website just happened to go down? I thought I had a worm. Needless to say that is unacceptable after all the "testers" etc. You all just lost me and anyone I will ever meet. Well, maybe I will cut you some slack in Heaven and offer you a hug. Nytol.

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Message 1374991 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 22:18:55 UTC - in response to Message 1374987.
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NO! Another case of me being at the wrong website at the wrong time? I'm so able to be wrong - and apologize. The website just happened to go down? I thought I had a worm. Needless to say that is unacceptable after all the "testers" etc. You all just lost me and anyone I will ever meet. Well, maybe I will cut you some slack in Heaven and offer you a hug. Nytol.


Why when I read that all I can imagine is it being said by Loud Howard from Dilbert?
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Message 1374994 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 22:19:44 UTC

Not whatever. www.berkely.edu and setiathome.berkely.edu do not exist. You're missing an 'e' in the address and the 'l' is in another place. www.berkeley.edu and setiathome.berkeley.edu will get you places.

I understand what you are saying, but you have to appreciate that many people here don't have English as their first language. And a lot of those that do aren't that good at it either. This is an International project!

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Message 1375000 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 22:28:28 UTC

Gatekeeper i am really sorry i am just not understandin it all ,


Make a new text file named app_config.xml and have this in the contents

<app_config>
<app>
<name>setiathome_v7</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>.04</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>

add that after i run outa work, maybe a sticky with all the steps for someone like that isnt catching, again i am sorry

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Message 1375006 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 22:38:02 UTC - in response to Message 1374994.
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Not whatever. www.berkely.edu and setiathome.berkely.edu do not exist. You're missing an 'e' in the address and the 'l' is in another place. www.berkeley.edu and setiathome.berkeley.edu will get you places.

I understand what you are saying, but you have to appreciate that many people here don't have English as their first language. And a lot of those that do aren't that good at it either. This is an International project!

Going to the right address has in this case nothing to do with the language people speak, type, read or breathe. So, when this person is constantly speaking of how berkely.edu was not available to him, then that's correct. It's not available to me either, or to you, as it doesn't exist. Has nothing to do with their (in)ability to use a different language, which in the case of JR Love is English (since he's American).

So, wrong tree you're barking at.
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Message 1375012 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 22:46:10 UTC - in response to Message 1374937.

For the rest of the SETI users still using stock applications, they haven't noticed a thing as evidenced by not a single one complaining in here. Only those using the Anonymous platform are having issues, compounded by those that still can't tell the difference between BOINC and SETI@home.


Well let me be the "first stock user" to offer a complaint. Thursday I got a set of various v7 Cuda wu which all errored out because the v7 dll (or whatever)were stalled in downloading. When I updated, I got all the remaining V7 files and the errored wu's were sent back. I got another set of cuda wu's, but these had "computing errors" because of "too many errors." The only v7 wu I have at present is a cuda42 being processed by my GPU.

Now my BOINC manager is requesting work about every 20-25 minutes, and getting the responses:
06/01/2013 3:33:04 PM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
06/01/2013 3:33:04 PM | SETI@home | Not requesting tasks
06/01/2013 3:33:06 PM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed
06/01/2013 3:38:11 PM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
06/01/2013 3:38:11 PM | SETI@home | Not requesting tasks
06/01/2013 3:38:13 PM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed

ETC.

I'm now running my backup project (Rosetta) for my CPU until I can start getting SETI wu's again. From one of Eric's comments, I gather that when wu's error out, the scheduler won't sent that type of work again for a period of time?

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Message 1375013 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 22:46:37 UTC - in response to Message 1374987.
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I'm sure by now most of you realise that it's pointless trying to help this person (JR Love) as they need professional help that we are unable to provide?
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Message 1375016 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 22:50:35 UTC - in response to Message 1375012.

Thursday I got a set of various v7 Cuda wu which all errored out because the v7 dll (or whatever)were stalled in downloading.

You are the first person to have this issue. I and others that have posted in the appropriate forums all had WUs download & ready to crunch, and they sat there & waitined untill the other files had finished downloading, which in my case took most of the night. Then they started processing.
But the fact is they didn't error out while waiting for the application files to downlond.
The ones that errored out on my other system did so becasue of my fiddling with the system.
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Message 1375032 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 23:16:17 UTC - in response to Message 1375016.

Thursday I got a set of various v7 Cuda wu which all errored out because the v7 dll (or whatever)were stalled in downloading.

You are the first person to have this issue. I and others that have posted in the appropriate forums all had WUs download & ready to crunch, and they sat there & waitined untill the other files had finished downloading, which in my case took most of the night. Then they started processing.
But the fact is they didn't error out while waiting for the application files to downlond.
The ones that errored out on my other system did so becasue of my fiddling with the system.

I think there have been one or two other reports (buried under all the noise) of tasks being run, and failing, before a necessary program or DLL has completed downloading.

Of course, the most likely explanation would be a user-cancelled transfer or the client calling a permanent transfer failure (which itself warrants investigation), but there have been just enough (I think) plausible reports to take seriously.

This would be a BOINC client bug, of course, not SETI's responsibility, but if anybody can document an occurrence (in Number Crunching, of course), we know how to take it further.

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Message 1375042 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 23:23:47 UTC - in response to Message 1375012.

06/01/2013 3:33:04 PM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
06/01/2013 3:33:04 PM | SETI@home | Not requesting tasks
06/01/2013 3:33:06 PM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed


That's either a bug in BOINC, or some really confusing messages from BOINC about what it's attempting to do.
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Message 1375050 - Posted: 1 Jun 2013, 23:32:34 UTC - in response to Message 1373503.

Hi Raistmer,
I'm no expert at software, but I'd like to have a go at helping with testing. Version 7 is working fine on the 4 core MacPro. ie 2 x 2.66 GHz Dual Core Intel Xeon with 16 GB 667 Mhz DDR2 FB-DIMM , with Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB . It can't go past Mac OSX 10.7.5

The dual six core, 12 processor MacPro is "Running" 12 work units [w/u] after installing Version 7 and now giving a "Waiting for shared memory " messages beside all the other ready to start w/u. Previously it was hyper-threading 24 w/u simultaneously. It appeared that hyper-threading was less efficient as the time taken was 5+ hours for SETI@home v6 and 45++ for Astro-Pulse v6. I tried to exclude Astro-Pulse in the preferences but they still come through occasionally. Currently the 12 core is doing average SETI@home v7 w/u in around 3 hours and AstroPulse around 20 hours. The "time remaining" for AstroPulse is dropping from around 35hrs to under 25 hrs as the unit is processed towards completion. Please advise any machine details and other information required to assist.

The 12 core MacPro is dedicated only for SETI and has minimal other software installed beside OSX 10.8.3 (12D78) and Firefox. It has a non-standard processor set, ie. 2 x 3.33 GHz 6-core Intel Xeon when I purchased it. Since SETI didn't use much memory in my experience, I dropped the installed memory to 2 of 8 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 blocks ie 16 GB total at present. Graphic Card is ATI Radeon HD 5870 1024 MB. When running full-time both machines pushed my RAC temporarily under 400, but my electricity bill jumped alarmingly, so the 12core is on off-peak discount tariff currently and only running about half the time, ie late at night and over the weekends.


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Message 1375103 - Posted: 2 Jun 2013, 3:25:18 UTC - in response to Message 1373233.

hi jason

saw you mentioned in another post in this area as a guru for the lunatics ... i've gotten the .xml file corrected so seti (and i also use enstien as a backup) is running again ....

i was wondering if there was anyway i could tell that the lunatic overclocking setting were still in place? forgive my ignorance but i am just not well-versed on the inside workings of this program

thanks for any help :)
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Message 1375105 - Posted: 2 Jun 2013, 4:04:48 UTC - in response to Message 1374870.


Only errors: hostid=6598140.

What is here the problem?


Could be a bad/overheating card or bad driver. My bigger concern is why the daily quotas are being reduced when the invalid results are found. That needs to be fixed.

Please do Not 'fix' this.
Computers that spit invalid results have to be punished somehow.
Else they will do that for 1000s of tasks per day.

Bigger issue is when 2 bad results (wrong overflow) match each other (so are marked valid) and the real good result is marked as invalid.


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Message 1375112 - Posted: 2 Jun 2013, 4:54:01 UTC - in response to Message 1375105.

Not the way I see it.

Computers that spit invalid results have to be punished somehow.

One should not punish someone who is trying to do the right thing and failing, one should just try to minimize the damage and try to help them improve. This is part of the cost of doing business, the way it is done in distributed computing.
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Message 1375116 - Posted: 2 Jun 2013, 5:18:50 UTC - in response to Message 1375105.

Computers that spit invalid results have to be punished somehow.

In fact on second thought punishment would be counterproductive to the project.
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Message 1375117 - Posted: 2 Jun 2013, 5:23:36 UTC - in response to Message 1375112.

Not the way I see it.
Computers that spit invalid results have to be punished somehow.

One should not punish someone ...

I didn't say "punish someone" (human, user), I say punish "Computers that spit invalid results"
(and by 'punish' I mean in this case to only reduce the tasks those Computers can have per day until the Computer is fixed, not let those Computers burn through 1000s of tasks and generate invalids)


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Message 1375118 - Posted: 2 Jun 2013, 5:24:38 UTC - in response to Message 1373842.
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The first invalid result of my machine (The WU was calculated correct! I'm a beta tester and the app is running very well on my system.), because of two wingman with 'SETI@home v7 v7.03 (opencl_ati5_sah)' apps and wrong results. :-(
So this WU is uncrunched and lost?

26mr10ab.22208.11282.8.12.10 - wuid=1255961084

OK, OK, the result have 5x 0.
But the next WU have maybe 'better' findings?!

Both wingmen are running too low an APP runtime version, need to be an APP SDK 2.6 driver/APP runtime :

Driver version: CAL 1.4.1607 (VM)
Version: OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.5 (793.1)

Claggy


I found this hostid=6343230.

This machine D/L 8 MB AP files just for to trash them immediately.
Wasted bandwidth.

This machine have also a too old driver installed?

Why send SAH then WUs to such hosts...
Maybe the admins could adjust something for to prevent this?


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Message 1375119 - Posted: 2 Jun 2013, 5:26:18 UTC - in response to Message 1375116.
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Computers that spit invalid results have to be punished somehow.

In fact on second thought punishment would be counterproductive to the project.

What would be counter productive is allowing invalid results in to the science database. This is a science project, the accuracy & integrity of the data is important.
If you're going to trash Wurk units, you don't get any more until you are able to return valid work.

If someone has a problem, they can ask for help in the appropriate forums. If they don't ask, it's ovbiously not important to them. But it is important to the project so their ability to trash work is limited.
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