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SciManStev Send message Joined: 20 Jun 99 Posts: 6651 Credit: 121,090,076 RAC: 0 |
Many of these were a surprise to me. http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/25/living/gallery/atheists/index.html?hpt=hp_c3 I am certainly not the only atheist, and have said many of the same things these atheists have said. Steve Warning, addicted to SETI crunching! Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group. GPUUG Website |
Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
Many of these were a surprise to me. Thanks for the link, Steve. I had no idea Javier Bardem, was included. |
musicplayer Send message Joined: 17 May 10 Posts: 2430 Credit: 926,046 RAC: 0 |
Why not try consolidating all of this a little bit? My best guess is that you may be able to do science of value regardless of whether you are a "believer", an "atheist" or an "agnostic". I guess you are not with me on this. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Why not try consolidating all of this a little bit? Some science of value , possibly much science but I think cosmology and biology could present problems for all but an agnostic. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Some science of value , possibly much science but I think cosmology and biology could present problems for all but an agnostic. You over limit as I think you only are considering a subset of the monotheist religions to encompass all believers. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Some science of value , possibly much science but I think cosmology and biology could present problems for all but an agnostic. Interesting point, however, IMO, if one believes, they do not allow for what is outside their belief system. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Some science of value , possibly much science but I think cosmology and biology could present problems for all but an agnostic. I dont think that is a true statement.Why cant a biologist who enjoys doing what they do also be religious? [/quote] Old James |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
I dont think that is a true statement.Why cant a biologist who enjoys doing what they do also be religious? Well if their work involves how life began and their religion says some exterior force was the prime cause they are going to have problems. Granted most biology research does not involve the origins of life. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I dont think that is a true statement.Why cant a biologist who enjoys doing what they do also be religious? Not all religions have a creator deity. |
John Neale Send message Joined: 16 Mar 00 Posts: 634 Credit: 7,246,513 RAC: 9 |
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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
I dont think that is a true statement.Why cant a biologist who enjoys doing what they do also be religious? Gary, my copy of Webster states the service and worship of God or the supernatural I guess the implication is not all belief systems are religions. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I dont think that is a true statement.Why cant a biologist who enjoys doing what they do also be religious? The victors write the history. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
I dont think that is a true statement.Why cant a biologist who enjoys doing what they do also be religious? Gary, definitions are very important, if someone else's definition is different than mine then I may not know what they are saying. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Guy, a whole lot of people who believe in their faith could be a major contributing factor in the poor funding of basic science, such as this project. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I dont think that is a true statement.Why cant a biologist who enjoys doing what they do also be religious? The point, if monotheists write the dictionary do define the word religion to mean belief in a single deity and as many of the monotheists religions, as organized anyway, have, at some time, required their followers to kill those who don't believe the same ... So what can you call a belief system that does not "service God" or require "worship of God"? heathen? And I see Webster doesn't even allow for multiple God's. OBW my dictionary app says: religion 1) A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny 2) An institution to express belief in a divine power Which is quite at odds with Webster. Then there is http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion?s=t 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion. 3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions. 4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion. 5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith. Which is again different. I think I'll stick to my comment: The victors write the history. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Gary, your post just confirms my statement that definitions are important. OBW, I think Webster calling on the supernatural allows for much, probably including multiple Gods, after all that would be supernatural. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Gary, your post just confirms my statement that definitions are important. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_an_authoritative_dictionary wrote: Which ones are considered authoritative? Oxford is a big one. American Heritage and Merriam-Webster are a couple more. I prefer American Heritage because the layout is easier to read. In English, you always have to look at context anyway, as nearly every word has multiple shades of meaning. I think you got that the shade of meaning I was using was not Webster's or you wouldn't have asked. I do think Webster is showing a bias of the editor, however! |
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