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Message 1372592 - Posted: 27 May 2013, 22:09:09 UTC

Many of these were a surprise to me.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/25/living/gallery/atheists/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

I am certainly not the only atheist, and have said many of the same things these atheists have said.

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Message 1372604 - Posted: 28 May 2013, 0:54:44 UTC - in response to Message 1372592.
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Many of these were a surprise to me.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/25/living/gallery/atheists/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

I am certainly not the only atheist, and have said many of the same things these atheists have said.

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Thanks for the link, Steve. I had no idea Javier Bardem, was included.

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Message 1372880 - Posted: 29 May 2013, 0:52:05 UTC
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Why not try consolidating all of this a little bit?

My best guess is that you may be able to do science of value regardless of whether you are a "believer", an "atheist" or an "agnostic".

I guess you are not with me on this.

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Message 1372906 - Posted: 29 May 2013, 2:12:31 UTC - in response to Message 1372880.

Why not try consolidating all of this a little bit?

My best guess is that you may be able to do science of value regardless of whether you are a "believer", an "atheist" or an "agnostic".

I guess you are not with me on this.

Some science of value , possibly much science but I think cosmology and biology could present problems for all but an agnostic.
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Message 1372922 - Posted: 29 May 2013, 3:46:58 UTC - in response to Message 1372906.

Some science of value , possibly much science but I think cosmology and biology could present problems for all but an agnostic.

You over limit as I think you only are considering a subset of the monotheist religions to encompass all believers.

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Message 1372928 - Posted: 29 May 2013, 3:56:38 UTC - in response to Message 1372922.

Some science of value , possibly much science but I think cosmology and biology could present problems for all but an agnostic.

You over limit as I think you only are considering a subset of the monotheist religions to encompass all believers.

Interesting point, however, IMO, if one believes, they do not allow for what is outside their belief system.
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Message 1372931 - Posted: 29 May 2013, 4:09:15 UTC - in response to Message 1372928.

Some science of value , possibly much science but I think cosmology and biology could present problems for all but an agnostic.

You over limit as I think you only are considering a subset of the monotheist religions to encompass all believers.

Interesting point, however, IMO, if one believes, they do not allow for what is outside their belief system.


I dont think that is a true statement.Why cant a biologist who enjoys doing what they do also be religious?
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Message 1372933 - Posted: 29 May 2013, 4:25:56 UTC - in response to Message 1372931.

I dont think that is a true statement.Why cant a biologist who enjoys doing what they do also be religious?

Well if their work involves how life began and their religion says some exterior force was the prime cause they are going to have problems. Granted most biology research does not involve the origins of life.
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Message 1372954 - Posted: 29 May 2013, 5:48:04 UTC - in response to Message 1372933.

I dont think that is a true statement.Why cant a biologist who enjoys doing what they do also be religious?

Well if their work involves how life began and their religion says some exterior force was the prime cause they are going to have problems. Granted most biology research does not involve the origins of life.

Not all religions have a creator deity.

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Message 1373036 - Posted: 29 May 2013, 12:21:11 UTC
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Message 1373049 - Posted: 29 May 2013, 13:13:30 UTC

How come you BILLIONS and BILLIONS and BILLIONS of atheists don't gather once a week to mourn the absence of GOD, just like the very small minority of the planet gets together once a week to celebrate the existence of GOD?

1. The current world population is estimated at 7 billion

2. The number of atheists is estimated at 2% or 140 million.

3. Religious folk are estimated at 84% or 5.9 billion

4. Non-religious 14% or 1 billion

Typical melodramatic response from Guy.

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Message 1373061 - Posted: 29 May 2013, 13:57:17 UTC

Comme ci comme ça?

Amazingly, this was written in 1959!
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Message 1373136 - Posted: 29 May 2013, 21:44:12 UTC - in response to Message 1372954.

I dont think that is a true statement.Why cant a biologist who enjoys doing what they do also be religious?

Well if their work involves how life began and their religion says some exterior force was the prime cause they are going to have problems. Granted most biology research does not involve the origins of life.

Not all religions have a creator deity.

Gary, my copy of Webster states
the service and worship of God or the supernatural

I guess the implication is not all belief systems are religions.
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Message 1373148 - Posted: 29 May 2013, 22:00:37 UTC - in response to Message 1373136.

I dont think that is a true statement.Why cant a biologist who enjoys doing what they do also be religious?

Well if their work involves how life began and their religion says some exterior force was the prime cause they are going to have problems. Granted most biology research does not involve the origins of life.

Not all religions have a creator deity.

Gary, my copy of Webster states
the service and worship of God or the supernatural

I guess the implication is not all belief systems are religions.

The victors write the history.

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Message 1373203 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 0:41:42 UTC

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I'll just leave this here.

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Message 1373637 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 17:44:31 UTC - in response to Message 1373203.
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Message 1373968 - Posted: 31 May 2013, 3:56:52 UTC - in response to Message 1373148.

I dont think that is a true statement.Why cant a biologist who enjoys doing what they do also be religious?

Well if their work involves how life began and their religion says some exterior force was the prime cause they are going to have problems. Granted most biology research does not involve the origins of life.

Not all religions have a creator deity.

Gary, my copy of Webster states
the service and worship of God or the supernatural

I guess the implication is not all belief systems are religions.

The victors write the history.

Gary, definitions are very important, if someone else's definition is different than mine then I may not know what they are saying.
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Message 1373970 - Posted: 31 May 2013, 4:00:25 UTC - in response to Message 1373637.

Guy, a whole lot of people who believe in their faith could be a major contributing factor in the poor funding of basic science, such as this project.
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Message 1373983 - Posted: 31 May 2013, 4:42:18 UTC - in response to Message 1373968.

I dont think that is a true statement.Why cant a biologist who enjoys doing what they do also be religious?

Well if their work involves how life began and their religion says some exterior force was the prime cause they are going to have problems. Granted most biology research does not involve the origins of life.

Not all religions have a creator deity.

Gary, my copy of Webster states
the service and worship of God or the supernatural

I guess the implication is not all belief systems are religions.

The victors write the history.

Gary, definitions are very important, if someone else's definition is different than mine then I may not know what they are saying.

The point, if monotheists write the dictionary do define the word religion to mean belief in a single deity and as many of the monotheists religions, as organized anyway, have, at some time, required their followers to kill those who don't believe the same ...

So what can you call a belief system that does not "service God" or require "worship of God"? heathen? And I see Webster doesn't even allow for multiple God's.

OBW my dictionary app says:
religion
1) A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny
2) An institution to express belief in a divine power

Which is quite at odds with Webster.

Then there is http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion?s=t
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

Which is again different.

I think I'll stick to my comment: The victors write the history.

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Message 1373995 - Posted: 31 May 2013, 5:18:04 UTC

Gary, your post just confirms my statement that definitions are important.
OBW, I think Webster calling on the supernatural allows for much, probably including multiple Gods, after all that would be supernatural.
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