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Guido Alexander Waldenmeier Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 587 Credit: 18,397 RAC: 0 |
Die Suche nach einer Botschaft von intelligenten Lebewesen von einer anderen Welt fasziniert viele Astronomen, besonders aber die Öffentlichkeit, die sich im Rahmen des SETI@home-Projektes an dieser Suche beteiligt. Die Bemühungen könnten allerdings vergebens sein, wie jetzt ein Forscherteam zu bedenken gibt: Eine außerirdische Botschaft wäre für uns nicht vom thermischen Rauschen eines Sterns zu unterscheiden. Mehr Hier http://www.astronews.com/news/artikel/2004/12/0412-005.shtml |
Everette Dobbins Send message Joined: 13 Jan 00 Posts: 291 Credit: 22,594,655 RAC: 0 |
> Die Suche nach einer Botschaft von intelligenten Lebewesen von einer anderen > Welt fasziniert viele Astronomen, besonders aber die Öffentlichkeit, die sich > im Rahmen des SETI@home-Projektes an dieser Suche beteiligt. Die Bemühungen > könnten allerdings vergebens sein, wie jetzt ein Forscherteam zu bedenken > gibt: Eine außerirdische Botschaft wäre für uns nicht vom thermischen Rauschen > eines Sterns zu unterscheiden. > > Mehr Hier > > http://www.astronews.com/news/artikel/2004/12/0412-005.shtml > > I dont know if this is interesting or not. What does it say Guido? |
Remember911 Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 51 Credit: 92,166 RAC: 0 |
A approximate translation of the entire article by machine translation: For years the astronomers look for the 1960er untiringly with large radio antennas for signals of extraterrestial Intelligence, SETI abbreviated. Now a German-American research team shows, that this search could remain always unsuccessful possibly: Signals of progressive nature would not be differentiated for us from the thermal noise of a star. Before 60 years the American Claude Shannon showed, that one cannot be differentiated with optimal packing density conveyed message of a coincidental character sequence - it is, the receiver knows the language of the message. That is simple to understand: A character sequence from loud As contains minimum information, there the next indication - again a A - is easily predictable. A character sequence as "RHDKOFETN" against it contains much information, since the following in each case indication is not predictable. The receiver does not know however the meaning of the individual indications, thus this message appears like a coincidental sequence of letters. Michael Lachmann of Max-Planck-Institut for evolutionary anthropology in Leipzig and its American colleagues applied this argument now to the signal transmission by electromagnetic radiation. The result: A radio message with highest possible packing density would not be of the normal radiant heat of a star to differentiate - it was, the receiver is in the possession of the coding. The strategy of the SETI researchers, after remarkable, to non-coincidental signals search, would be therefore from the beginning doomed to failure. Because, thus and its colleagues stress Lachmann, each progressive civilization would be natural able, to code their messages with optimal packing density. |
Guido Alexander Waldenmeier Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 587 Credit: 18,397 RAC: 0 |
sorry peoples but my english is to bad to translate,and tools like babelfish is the same.please can everybody this translate thanks |
Captain Avatar Send message Joined: 17 May 99 Posts: 15133 Credit: 529,088 RAC: 0 |
> sorry peoples but my english is to bad to translate,and tools like babelfish > is the same.please can everybody this translate thanks http://www.umich.edu/news/index.html?Releases/2004/Dec04/r120204 See Thread http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/forum_thread.php?id=7172 |
Toby Send message Joined: 26 Oct 00 Posts: 1005 Credit: 6,366,949 RAC: 0 |
1) Online translators are useless for anything but simple phrases. Please don't copy paste their translations here. They make my brain hurt. Seriously. 2) I know the language debate has already been done. I ignored it for the most part because I found it pointless so I don't know who 'won' but regardless, seti does NOT have a language policy (like LHC) so rather than pasting a brain injuring babelfish POS translation, may I suggest you ignore foreign language threads? There is no requirement that you participate in every thread on these boards. The person posting (whoever it might be) is well aware that not everyone here will be able to understand. kthxbye :) A member of The Knights Who Say NI! For rankings, history graphs and more, check out: My BOINC stats site |
Everette Dobbins Send message Joined: 13 Jan 00 Posts: 291 Credit: 22,594,655 RAC: 0 |
> 1) Online translators are useless for anything but simple phrases. Please > don't copy paste their translations here. They make my brain hurt. > Seriously. > > 2) I know the language debate has already been done. I ignored it for the > most part because I found it pointless so I don't know who 'won' but > regardless, seti does NOT have a language policy (like LHC) so rather than > pasting a brain injuring babelfish POS translation, may I suggest you ignore > foreign language threads? There is no requirement that you participate in > every thread on these boards. The person posting (whoever it might be) is > well aware that not everyone here will be able to understand. > > kthxbye :) > > I wanted to know what he was saying. If it hurts your brain take some Tylenol extra strength. Seriously. Instead of responding to a foreign languge thread ignore it. Thats funny you didnt ignore it you posted. |
Sir Ulli Send message Joined: 21 Oct 99 Posts: 2246 Credit: 6,136,250 RAC: 0 |
> > 1) Online translators are useless for anything but simple phrases. > Please > > don't copy paste their translations here. They make my brain hurt. > > Seriously. > > > > 2) I know the language debate has already been done. I ignored it for > the > > most part because I found it pointless so I don't know who 'won' but > > regardless, seti does NOT have a language policy (like LHC) so rather > than > > pasting a brain injuring babelfish POS translation, may I suggest you > ignore > > foreign language threads? There is no requirement that you participate > in > > every thread on these boards. The person posting (whoever it might be) > is > > well aware that not everyone here will be able to understand. > > > > kthxbye :) he Everette Dobbins a good Part of Hosts you have for your Computing Power a RAC of 5.000 and above, that is amazing, i think.... Greetings from Germany NRW Ulli S@h Berkeley's Staff Friends Club m7 © |
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