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Message 1370147 - Posted: 20 May 2013, 23:23:15 UTC

We see that the Higgs field is believed to confer mass upon matter. If a spacecraft were surrounded by a domain that could be modified to inhibit the Higgs field in any desired direction, the effect would appear to be similar to the creation of a warp in space. The attraction of the spacecraft, to two similar masses at similar distances, but lying in different directions would not be the same, as it should in normal space. The mass in one direction would exert a stronger pull than the mass in the other direction. The spacecraft would, in effect, be closer to the more attractive mass, the instant the inhibiting domain was activated, or so it appears. I realize that we know too little about the Higgs boson at the moment to create a domain that inhibits its effects. Leaving that aside, does the rest sound reasonable?

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Message 1370159 - Posted: 21 May 2013, 0:29:17 UTC - in response to Message 1370147.

We see that the Higgs field is believed to confer mass upon matter. If a spacecraft were surrounded by a domain that could be modified to inhibit the Higgs field in any desired direction, the effect would appear to be similar to the creation of a warp in space. The attraction of the spacecraft, to two similar masses at similar distances, but lying in different directions would not be the same, as it should in normal space. The mass in one direction would exert a stronger pull than the mass in the other direction. The spacecraft would, in effect, be closer to the more attractive mass, the instant the inhibiting domain was activated, or so it appears. I realize that we know too little about the Higgs boson at the moment to create a domain that inhibits its effects. Leaving that aside, does the rest sound reasonable?


I'll leave that to Tullio he understand this stuff better but as you said we don't know enough about the Higgs field

Come on boffins fire up that LHC so we can find out
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Message 1370186 - Posted: 21 May 2013, 3:27:57 UTC
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AFAIK the Higgs field only gives mass to leptons, not to hadrons. Since normal matter is made up from hadrons such as protons and neutrons and electrons, which are leptons, I doubt very much that this effect could be achieved. The LHC is now in an upgrade phase, hence not working, but we are still analyzing data from it in the test4theory@home BOINC project. I have so far simulated 200 millions events (collisions). But the LHC produced 600 millions collision/second.So there is still a huge amount of data to be analyzed by the LHC Grid, which does not include the volunteers, but has a worldwide network of computers.
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Message 1370295 - Posted: 21 May 2013, 14:10:28 UTC

Thanks for that Tullio. In all my reading on the subject, admittedly at the layman's level, I never encountered a statement that explained the situation re the Higgs field, leptons and hadrons. Will look into this subject further.

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Message 1370300 - Posted: 21 May 2013, 14:28:26 UTC

I'm still confused, though. The article linked below, is from a popular level, but I hope scientifically respectable magazine. It says in the first paragraph that mass is conferred on all matter by the Higgs. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=could-lhc-discover-higgs-boson

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Message 1370301 - Posted: 21 May 2013, 14:36:17 UTC - in response to Message 1370300.

I'm still confused, though. The article linked below, is from a popular level, but I hope scientifically respectable magazine. It says in the first paragraph that mass is conferred on all matter by the Higgs. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=could-lhc-discover-higgs-boson

The so called dark matter (or missing mass, according to Fritz Zwicky, 1935) could be made of WIMPs, weakly interacting massive particles, which could get their mass from the Higgs field. But we are still in the area of speculation.
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Message 1370431 - Posted: 22 May 2013, 1:03:33 UTC

Supposing that most hadron mass come from gluons and quarks, with a small part from the Higgs mechanism, it might make more sense to talk about a space drive that suppressed the effect of the carrier of the force of gravity, the graviton. Since the aggregate effect of a multitude of gravitons can be described as gravity waves, perhaps such waves can be neutralized over a small area by emitting a gravity wave with the contradictory phase; troughs matching crests and crests matching troughs.
If this could be done in an asymmetrical manner, the situation described in the original post would seem to occur. A space vessel equidistant between two like masses is equally attracted by both. If a directional gravity inhibitor is turned on, and the space vessel is now attracted to one mass four times more than it is to the other, hasn't it effectively warped space and moved the vessel to half the distance from one mass and twice the distance from the other?

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Message 1370444 - Posted: 22 May 2013, 3:58:40 UTC - in response to Message 1370186.

AFAIK the Higgs field only gives mass to leptons, not to hadrons. Since normal matter is made up from hadrons such as protons and neutrons and electrons, which are leptons, I doubt very much that this effect could be achieved. The LHC is now in an upgrade phase, hence not working, but we are still analyzing data from it in the test4theory@home BOINC project. I have so far simulated 200 millions events (collisions). But the LHC produced 600 millions collision/second.So there is still a huge amount of data to be analyzed by the LHC Grid, which does not include the volunteers, but has a worldwide network of computers.
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As soon as I reach my target score on Einstein I think I will start doing that project on the backup system computer I have Tullio , thanks for that I didn't know they had a project on Bionic
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Message 1370477 - Posted: 22 May 2013, 6:36:02 UTC - in response to Message 1370444.

You shall have to install VirtualBox from Oracle on your system. Then you have two choices, either to run the standard Test4theory@home wrapper (default) or choose the beta wrapper. I am running the first on 2 Linux boxes with BOINC 6.10.58.If you choose the Beta wrapper you must have the 7.0.xx BOINC.
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Message 1370498 - Posted: 22 May 2013, 7:10:54 UTC - in response to Message 1370477.

You shall have to install VirtualBox from Oracle on your system. Then you have two choices, either to run the standard Test4theory@home wrapper (default) or choose the beta wrapper. I am running the first on 2 Linux boxes with BOINC 6.10.58.If you choose the Beta wrapper you must have the 7.0.xx BOINC.
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OH I take it I will have to load a version of Linux then and create a virtual machine . Boy I'm gona have to dig though my disc's to find a copy that works . Or can you recommend a good version I can download for free .
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Message 1370513 - Posted: 22 May 2013, 7:36:15 UTC - in response to Message 1370498.

No, if you are using Windows you must load VirtualBox for Windows, then register to the project. The Virtual Machine (BOINC_VM) vill be downloaded automatically and you shall see the CERN jobs running in a window, if you don't choose the headless mode. You shall see one Penguin or 2 Penguins in the window, depending if you use one or two cores. This depends on your BIOS.
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Message 1370514 - Posted: 22 May 2013, 7:40:00 UTC

OK Forget the other posts you answered my questions here thanks
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Message 1370670 - Posted: 22 May 2013, 17:54:37 UTC - in response to Message 1370431.
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Supposing that most hadron mass come from gluons and quarks, with a small part from the Higgs mechanism, it might make more sense to talk about a space drive that suppressed the effect of the carrier of the force of gravity, the graviton. Since the aggregate effect of a multitude of gravitons can be described as gravity waves, perhaps such waves can be neutralized over a small area by emitting a gravity wave with the contradictory phase; troughs matching crests and crests matching troughs.
If this could be done in an asymmetrical manner, the situation described in the original post would seem to occur. A space vessel equidistant between two like masses is equally attracted by both. If a directional gravity inhibitor is turned on, and the space vessel is now attracted to one mass four times more than it is to the other, hasn't it effectively warped space and moved the vessel to half the distance from one mass and twice the distance from the other?


M-Theory proposes 11 dimensions.
The "Standard Model" of particle physics deals with particles, and effects, within the confines of 4D Space-Time
Quantum Physics deals with probabilities in 4D Space-Time.
The 4 universal forces, as we understand them, "Strong, EM, Weak, and Gravity", have relative strengths of 1038,1036,1025,1.
The relative strength differential of Gravity to the rest of the Forces led early proponents of string theory to look for a mechanism that might explain this anomaly.
Maybe the relativistic effect we view as compression/expansion of Space, and Time, are due to higher dimensional effects?

Planck Units of Space-Time-Energy are based on fundamental properties of our 4D Space-Time.

In string theory all particles are made of "Strings".
The smallest possible size of a String in our 4D Space-Time is 1 Planck Unit of Space-Time.
Not sure what space is made of. Can space shrink, or time dilate on the Panck level?
The greatest velocity any String-Information could possibly attain in any direction, as an orthogonal shuffle, is 1 unit of Planck Space divided by 1 unit of Planck Time which would be equal to c.
The Planck charge is about 11.706 times greater than the elementary charge e carried by an electron.
This suggests that even the encoding of the elementary charge of an electron requires more than 1 bit.

If every possible "String" of a "Multiverse" was an encoding of information in 1 unit of Space-Time-Energy * 27 other mbranes, how many bits would it take?

I'm told that God can find the n-Dimensional Translation Matrix to be anywhere at all anytime.
There may be hope for us.

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Message 1370689 - Posted: 22 May 2013, 18:35:57 UTC

I admit that I am struggling to follow this ..... and I really want to ....

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Message 1370756 - Posted: 22 May 2013, 23:06:24 UTC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_time

Chris try this explanation of what a planck unit of time is
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Message 1370758 - Posted: 22 May 2013, 23:10:38 UTC - in response to Message 1370670.

M-Theory proposes 11 dimensions. ...

I'm told that God can find the n-Dimensional Translation Matrix to be anywhere at all anytime. There may be hope for us.

Except... There is one small detail you've missed...

Those other dimensions, if they exist in any tangible way, exist at such small length and time scales as to not normally be in any way accessible from our comparatively vastly huge length and timescales.

So... Great fun for subatomic particles. However, you'd not have anything recognizable as human left!


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Message 1370759 - Posted: 22 May 2013, 23:12:07 UTC - in response to Message 1370756.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_time

Chris try this explanation of what a planck unit of time is

Kinda spoils the "two short planks" phrase...


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(Sorry, couldn't resist! :-) )

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Message 1370765 - Posted: 22 May 2013, 23:43:10 UTC - in response to Message 1370758.

M-Theory proposes 11 dimensions. ...

I'm told that God can find the n-Dimensional Translation Matrix to be anywhere at all anytime. There may be hope for us.

Except... There is one small detail you've missed...
Those other dimensions, if they exist in any tangible way, exist at such small length and time scales as to not normally be in any way accessible from our comparatively vastly huge length and timescales.
So... Great fun for subatomic particles. However, you'd not have anything recognizable as human left!
Keep searchin',
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I have heard that point before though it's not an argument.

The 7 extra dimensions, though small in any particular Membrane, could very well have different scaling in any other.
The lament that Humans get lost in M-Theory is an absurdity.
I hope that's not where your imagination stops.

"Stephen Hawking, in his book The Grand Design, wrote that M-theory may be the ultimate theory of the universe." ...Wikipedia.

Keep Searching!

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Message 1370767 - Posted: 22 May 2013, 23:43:26 UTC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_units

Chris also try this one as it gives the values of all planck units of measurement
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Message 1370769 - Posted: 23 May 2013, 0:00:33 UTC

It seems that gravitational waves are believed to occur only between masses moving relative to each other. Masses at rest would still feel mutual gravitational attraction, so gravitons in a particle, rather than a wave configuration are presumably involved.
Since gravitons are assumed to be massless, they probably react very little with matter. This would appear to make any kind of conventional manipulation of them for the purpose of controlling gravity very, very difficult.
The graviton is generally considered to have no charge, so it would seem to have no antiparticle, which might otherwise be useful in controlling gravity.
I suspect that any control of gravity must involve the creation of a state similar, in at least some respects, to that which existed when the universe was very young, before the forces of elecrtromagnetism and gravity became distinct from one another. Under such conditions the control of electromagnetism, which we find relatively easy, might also allow the control of gravity.

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