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Message 1613388 - Posted: 13 Dec 2014, 17:47:51 UTC
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Catching this thread before it drops off the page.

In the UK around this time we get an increased number of "steam specials"

Most don't come this way as it is difficult to fit them into an already overcrowded schedule. Looking at the "realtime trains" on a normal day between 50 and 60 trains an hour use this section of the line.

However there were two scheduled for Tuesday, but the Fire Brigade strike caused one to be cancelled and the other moved to Wednesday.

The Wednesday outing was being pullled by one of my favourite loco's a Bullied light Pacific 34067 Tangmere, named after the WWII fighter station neart Chichester.

Unfortunately when it arrived it was in it's own shadow and I was not able to get a good pic



Here is the video

http://youtu.be/WrtxPvq_Et0

Today the "Christmas Lunch British Pullman" did a trip and although I have seen this train several times now it is always nice to stand on the platform as 35028 rushes past.

Today it was 15 minutes late, but thanks to "Realtime Trains" and my iPhone I was aware.
While waiting on the platform I finally got a pic of one of these, a Multi Purpose Vehicle, basically two back to back flatbed trucks with standard container mounting points allowing for different "modules" to be bolted on.

98925 on the front



It is configured as a RHTT with water tanks and Sandite modules.



And 98975 on the rear.

It was now approaching dusk and the light was fading but 35028 finally appeared, with christmas decoration above the number!!, with just about enough light for a picture.



And 67020 on the rear just in case.



Still in it's long obsolete EWS livery
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Message 1613414 - Posted: 13 Dec 2014, 18:27:24 UTC

I enjoy your pic's Bernie. ;-)

Sadly it's now been 3 decades since a train came through here. :-(

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Message 1615021 - Posted: 17 Dec 2014, 0:25:22 UTC

My best friend, Mike Griesmann, did an hour+ interview on an internet radio show called Let's Talk Trains about his work as a car manager for Iowa Pacific Holdings, often as Pullman conductor on the New Orleans train. His segment starts at 58 minutes. They also brought in his boss, Ed Ellis, for a few minutes (without telling Mike).
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Message 1617437 - Posted: 22 Dec 2014, 17:32:33 UTC

Another slice of history soon to disappear

Sadly, I won't be able to travel on its replacement for another 4 years.
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Message 1617857 - Posted: 23 Dec 2014, 15:00:14 UTC

Well if you read my tale of woe in the "berks" thread you will know there was a steam excursion through my local station today.

It is doing a trip to Dover and back called "The White Cliffs Christmas Circular"

Which you can read all about HERE

It was pulled by a pair of Black 5's

They changed the platform at the last minute but I go a few good shots.




44871 in the lead complete with Christmas tinsel



They don't actually seem to be driving"



And 45407 bringing up the rear and they are definitely not driving.

And finally my departed camera got this video.

http://youtu.be/tJXXJ8I0pAM
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Message 1618404 - Posted: 24 Dec 2014, 20:46:07 UTC
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So on a nice quiet Christmas Eve I decided to reveal my latest time wasting trains related thing.

I stumbled quite by chance on a site called Railstream which has 3 free web cams, the one I found most interesting was at Chesterton Indiana positioned on Rileys Roadhouse, where freight is definitely king.



What also impressed me was the length of the freight trains, most over 100 wagons long the longest I counted was 146.

However Amtrak's 29 The Capitol Limited (Washington - Chicago) and 49 The Lake Shore Limited (New York - Chicago) pass through once a day each way. This was the 29 on the 21st December



Which had P42DC 145 in "40 years of Amtrak colours"

(Note railfan with camera)

I then took the plunge and joined the site and got access to 7 more cameras, my second favourite is now The Chicago cam, it is behind and to the west of the Metra yards and gets a fair bit of both freight and passenger

This one was 150 cars long and going about 5 mph.




However what I would like to know, and I hope David can answer this is why do Amtrak trains back down this line.



They disappear completely, the engine sound dies away, then about five minute later re-appear on the same track and go back the way they came??

This particular train was the Lake Shore today (100-76)



Would like to know the answer.

I will leave you with this, nice to see Metra is investing in the latest low pollution locos. :-)



PS Are those double stack cars comfortable, we don't have those here in the UK, gauging issues, ie. very low bridges and tunnels.

Must try them out one day!!
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Message 1618413 - Posted: 24 Dec 2014, 21:22:57 UTC

I don't know about the US versions Bernie though we've been using double decker trains since the early 1970's here in Sydney and they're quite comfortable. ;-)

Sydney Trains fleet

Merry Xmas to all.

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Message 1618487 - Posted: 24 Dec 2014, 23:47:16 UTC

Didn't look at the location on the web site just found it in a minute or two on Google maps.

As I said it is behind and to the west of the Metra yards


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Message 1618512 - Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 0:29:56 UTC - in response to Message 1618404.  

PS Are those double stack cars comfortable, we don't have those here in the UK, gauging issues, ie. very low bridges and tunnels.

The best I've found in Europe are the double-deck TGVs on the route from Paris south to Marseilles. Settle into the upper-deck bar as you pass Lyons, with a nice glass of French wine in hand, and watch the Rhone valley zoom by at 200 mph.
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Message 1618570 - Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 2:15:36 UTC - in response to Message 1618404.  

So on a nice quiet Christmas Eve I decided to reveal my latest time wasting trains related thing.

I stumbled quite by chance on a site called Railstream which has 3 free web cams, the one I found most interesting was at Chesterton Indiana positioned on Rileys Roadhouse, where freight is definitely king.



That is Norfolk Southern's Chicago Line, originally Lake Shore & Michigan Southern, then New York Central, Penn Central, and Conrail. Canadian Pacific has trackage rights on it between Chicago and Butler, IN, where they diverge on the former Wabash to Detroit. There, they go under the river and back to home rails in Windsor. Amtrak's trains to Michigan diverge from this line at Porter, just a few miles west of here.

What also impressed me was the length of the freight trains, most over 100 wagons long the longest I counted was 146.

However Amtrak's 29 The Capitol Limited (Washington - Chicago) and 49 The Lake Shore Limited (New York - Chicago) pass through once a day each way.

The eastbounds, 30 and 48, pass here in the dark, even during the summer.

This was the 29 on the 21st December



Which had P42DC 145 in "40 years of Amtrak colours"

For Amtrak's 40th anniversary, they painted one engine in each of their paint schemes. The one seen here is called Phase III. They actually did two of this scheme; the other one usually accompanies the anniversary exhibit train.

(Note railfan with camera)

No surprise there. (Never been to this spot myself.)

I then took the plunge and joined the site and got access to 7 more cameras, my second favourite is now The Chicago cam, it is behind and to the west of the Metra yards and gets a fair bit of both freight and passenger

This one was 150 cars long and going about 5 mph.




150 seems like a lot, but I would believe 120 or more. The train is on the St. Charles Air Line. It has a very complicated ownership history. Just east of here, it connects to Canadian National's Iowa Division and crosses Metra's former Rock Island and New York Central line to La Salle St. Station at 16th St. Tower (one of the very few manned towers left in Illinois). The train appears to be coal empties coming back from CN and going to BNSF (originally CB&Q) for reload in Wyoming. Trains coming that way can also connect to Union Pacific (Chicago & North Western). It's going slowly because of a number of tight reverse curves, with switches and that crossing in the middle of them. The other bridge, standing straight up, was the Baltimore & Ohio Chicago Terminal lead to Grand Central Station. It no longer connects to anything on either end, which is why they cranked it so far vertical (which it never did in service). It crosses the Chicago River.

However what I would like to know, and I hope David can answer this is why do Amtrak trains back down this line.



They disappear completely, the engine sound dies away, then about five minute later re-appear on the same track and go back the way they came??

I'll answer that in reply to the later post with the overhead image in it.

This particular train was the Lake Shore today (100-76)


That's the current standard paint scheme, Phase V. No one is very fond of it. The new Viewliner II cars starting to be delivered (baggage cars first) are being "retro-styled" back to Phase III. The baggages will be for all trains that have them; there will also be baggage/dorms, sleepers, and diners for eastern trains where clearances are restricted.

Would like to know the answer.

I will leave you with this, nice to see Metra is investing in the latest low pollution locos. :-)



Those are actually over 20 years old. The windshield that slopes into the nose makes it an F40PH-2M (the M is for that nose style). Those are what killed the famous BN E9 fleet. Metra's older F40PHs have been undergoing rebuild over the last few years so they won't do that, but I understand the quality of workmanship in the rebuilds leaves something to be desired. The rebuild program is supposed to move on to the Ms soon.

PS Are those double stack cars comfortable, we don't have those here in the UK, gauging issues, ie. very low bridges and tunnels.

Must try them out one day!!

They're outfitted inside for relatively short distance commuting. You would not want to travel in them across the country. But the newest ones are nice enough for what they are. The first car in the train is from an order placed by the Regional Transportation Authority in the 1970s. The second car is one of the new ones, called an ADA car because it has wheelchair lifts to comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act; every Metra diesel train has one in that position, and the cab cars are also ADA cars. These cars are all known as gallery cars because the upper level seating is in open galleries, open in the center so the conductor walking below can collect tickets on both levels.

Amtrak also has bilevel cars, called Superliners, but they are not galleries. The main seating (or sleeping or dining) level is upstairs, where they are just like an ordinary coach. They are more suited to long distance travel.

P.S. The term double stack is actually used for the cars in your first picture, where there are shipping containers stacked two high. These cars come in either single units, sets of three singles with solid drawbars instead of couplers between them, or articulated sets of three or five. In either of the latter cases, each set is technically one car.
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Message 1618592 - Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 3:05:19 UTC - in response to Message 1618487.  

Didn't look at the location on the web site just found it in a minute or two on Google maps.

As I said it is behind and to the west of the Metra yards


I have been here many times. Never in the apartment where the webcam is, but on the ground next to it and also along the south leg of the wye.

As you can sort of see, there is a wye here. That's where Amtrak turns most of the trains that come into Chicago. The yard labeled as Metra is one of several they use, this one being former Chicago Burlington & Quincy (known as the Zephyr Pit for the Q's fleet of long distance trains and still operated by successor BNSF as part of its contract to operate Metra trains on its line). BNSF is the line going to the left; UP sort of splits off from it (west of here) on the north side into their Global One intermodal yard.

The Amtrak yard is the former Pennsylvania RR. Almost all Amtrak servicing, switching, cleaning, and supplying is done here (there is also a small maintenance facility a few miles southwest). The big building at the bottom right is the locomotive shop. The one immediately north of it is the commissary. The third one is the car shop, where repairs to cars are done. Not visible further north is the Service and Inspection building, and to the south of the engine shop is the washer.

Trains coming from the east (Michigan service, the Lake Shore, Capitol, and Cardinal) and those coming from St. Louis cross the river just south of here and proceed another mile or so north to Union Station. The Southwest Chief and California Zephyr come from the west and turn north. The long distance trains unload their passengers and baggage, and then a yard crew gets on and backs the train down to here and around the wye westward. Once they clear a signal beyond this picture, they pull through here again but turn south and across the river. Once clear of the switch there, they back through the washer and into the S&I building. Minor repairs can be done there; more intensive ones cause a car to be set out and sent to the shop, and a replacement car cut in. After the interior is cleaned and restocked in the yard, the train is ready to back into the station for its departure the next day. St. Louis and Michigan trains have engines at both ends, so they don't need to turn.

The Empire Builder comes into the station from the north, so it makes the same wye move but in reverse. The Hiawathas to Milwaukee also work the north end; I believe they come through to the yard for maintenance weekly (unless an inspection finds a problem sooner).

Trains coming from the south on the Canadian National (former Illinois Central) come across the St. Charles Air Line bridge and down onto BNSF, then back around the curve and into the station (or they can go southwest and south out of the picture, then back in from there). These would be the City of New Orleans, and the Saluki and Illini, which run to Carbondale, serving various state universities along the way. I understand those trains exchange sets daily with the Illinois Zephyr and Carl Sandberg, which run west on BNSF to Quincy, IL, also serving universities and anyone else who wants to get to or from Chicago in several towns along the way. Since the Carbondale trains back in, they are already facing the right way to go out to Quincy; likewise, inbound Quincy trains are ready to back out before going forward on the SCAL. For some time, the same trick was used with the City of NO and the Texas Eagle, but I heard recently they don't do that anymore.

(An exception to the CONO backing out is made when my friend's Pullman Service is on the back end of it. Pullman wants their cars at the bumping post in the station, so the train has to pull south onto the river bridge, back around west, and then pull east on the SCAL. And it has to pause for the Amtrak conductor to get off and walk from the Pullman car to the Amtrak car. The end doors of Superliners are at the upper level.)
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Message 1618595 - Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 3:11:08 UTC - in response to Message 1618487.  

Didn't look at the location on the web site just found it in a minute or two on Google maps.

As I said it is behind and to the west of the Metra yards

Metra has numerous yards in Chicago.
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Message 1618597 - Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 3:22:53 UTC - in response to Message 1618592.  
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Didn't look at the location on the web site just found it in a minute or two on Google maps.

As I said it is behind and to the west of the Metra yards


BTW, I was about to say that the buildings on the left with the mostly black roofs are the Chicago Fire Academy, built on the site of Mrs. O'Leary's barn where the Great Chicago Fire started, but I checked and that's actually a couple blocks further north.

Where the words "Metra yard" are is a United Parcel Service truck yard, with the Pacific Garden Mission (homeless shelter and soup kitchen) in its northeast corner. North of that is a grocery store and strip mall; all of that land used to be the Soo Line warehouse, with tracks one level up from the street. I drove up there many times when I belonged to 20th Century RR Club, which was on the top floor of the warehouse.

The SCAL is actually two parallel bridges, each with two tracks on it. The northern one was the lead to Grand Central Station on the east bank of the river. You can see how its lead comes west and then just ends. It used to cross the street and continue west to the C&NW yard (then called the Spud Yard because C&NW used it as its primary Chicago terminal for fresh produce, particularly potatoes) and the B&OCT's main line to the south side of the city and its connection to its parent B&O's line across Indiana, Ohio, etc. The Soo Line and the Chicago Great Western also ran their passenger trains this way to Grand Central.
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Message 1618751 - Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 12:55:56 UTC

Thanks David, a very full explanation!!

One more thing, here in the UK today, there are no trains at all, passenger or freight across the network. Is there any sort of "shutdown" for Christmas in the US

I can see that Amtrak are running all their services, but I haven't seen a freight train on the Chesterton cam and they usually run all night.

Also both the Capitol and Lake Shore are running to time!! An event I have not witnessed recently!!

So I assume there is not much freight about!
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Message 1618794 - Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 16:44:38 UTC - in response to Message 1618751.  

Thanks David, a very full explanation!!

One more thing, here in the UK today, there are no trains at all, passenger or freight across the network. Is there any sort of "shutdown" for Christmas in the US

I can see that Amtrak are running all their services, but I haven't seen a freight train on the Chesterton cam and they usually run all night.

Also both the Capitol and Lake Shore are running to time!! An event I have not witnessed recently!!

So I assume there is not much freight about!

Amtrak never takes a holiday (the really busy corridors on the east coast may run on their Sunday schedule, if they have one). Commuter agencies usually run on their Sunday schedule (which may be not at all).

Freight railroads vary in their practices. Some will curtail train starts and hold trains already en route at the next crew change point, usually starting late Christmas Eve and ramping operations back up late on Christmas Day. This does not apply to all trains, even on the railroads that do it. Most unit trains (coal, oil, ethanol, even grain) will continue. Other railroads officially don't do anything, but they tolerate the large number of crews who mark off for the holiday.

BTW, when you see freight going by that downtown Chicago camera, UP is going to and from either its Canal St. Yard which starts just south of the river and extends a couple of miles, parallel to the NS main, or to their former Missouri Pacific (nee Chicago & Eastern Illinois) yard south of the city. BNSF's Western Ave. Yard starts about half mile to the west and is the designated interchange point for unit trains between BNSF and NS. The NS crew will bring the train around the curve and into the yard, then tie it down and catch a taxi (contract service) to their terminal or hotel. For an eastbound, the NS crew will taxi to the train and take it south, then east. You will probably see the same train a couple hours later at Chesterton. If the train is tank cars, it's most likely crude oil from North Dakota going to an east coast refinery.
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Message 1619481 - Posted: 27 Dec 2014, 21:29:11 UTC

Well on Christmas day I saw no freight on any camera, only thing moving was Amtrak and Metra.

However yesterday I saw this:



Now 630 is surely one of the new ACS-64's, for the Notheast corridor.

The train was the 6 California Zephyr, so I assume as the loco's are being made in California, they are being "towed" up to Chicago.

So today on the 6 California Zephyr



Number 628 "in tow"

I suppose it is the best way to move them.
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Message 1619632 - Posted: 28 Dec 2014, 5:26:14 UTC - in response to Message 1619481.  

Now 630 is surely one of the new ACS-64's, for the Notheast corridor.

The train was the 6 California Zephyr, so I assume as the loco's are being made in California, they are being "towed" up to Chicago.

So today on the 6 California Zephyr

Number 628 "in tow"

I suppose it is the best way to move them.

They start their voyage https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.486338,-121.39198&spn=0.001891,0.002922&t=h&z=20 from Florin California here. Note there is only a short part of the track there that is electric, just enough to test them.
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Message 1621544 - Posted: 1 Jan 2015, 2:47:15 UTC - in response to Message 1619632.  

Now 630 is surely one of the new ACS-64's, for the Notheast corridor.

The train was the 6 California Zephyr, so I assume as the loco's are being made in California, they are being "towed" up to Chicago.

So today on the 6 California Zephyr

Number 628 "in tow"

I suppose it is the best way to move them.

They start their voyage https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.486338,-121.39198&spn=0.001891,0.002922&t=h&z=20 from Florin California here. Note there is only a short part of the track there that is electric, just enough to test them.

Yes, those are Amtrak's new electrics for the Northeast Corridor. From the Siemens factory, they are taken west to Oakland where they are added to train 6 to move east to Chicago, then train 30 to Washington. From there, they probably go to Wilmington, Delaware for final acceptance testing. They will replace the rather old AEM-7s and the newer but crappier HHP-8s.

I happened to get pictures of the train with 630 in it. I was out at Montgomery, IL, about 42 miles out from Chicago Union Station, just enjoying the sunshine (for pretty much the first time all month). I got all four of the long distance Amtrak trains and maybe one freight. I had no idea that was coming. After I posted about it on Facebook, someone said there was another coming the next day, but I didn't feel like going out again.

I also managed to be at the Chicago engine terminal on the day the first one arrived there (actually the third one built, but the first two went to the AAR testing facility in Colorado), about a year and a half ago. Early on, Oakland was putting them in between the P42s. The yard crew brought the whole power set over to the engine terminal and the guy there said "What am I supposed to do with this?" The answer was to just keep it all together and put it on 30 the next day.
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Message 1621549 - Posted: 1 Jan 2015, 3:04:28 UTC

My friend at Pullman is currently in Miami. His boss decided to offer a New Year's round trip there from Chicago. (Even better, the boss and his family got off at Orlando.) He got to see Amtrak's new baggage cars, which were sent from the factory in New York to the Miami yard for acceptance.

First time he's been to Miami. He's rather disappointed with the neighborhood of the yard. It's near the airport. The silver lining is that the car rental agency delivered a car for him. He said he wanted to go to Key West. I said to get me a lime pie.
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