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Message 1556775 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 16:29:02 UTC

I'd post something in here, but I got a PM from a hater of HSR, who is not a Mod, not to post and to withdraw a post, that person is now blocked here, so I do this on FB instead, where I control the content and where I have 194 Friends...
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Message 1556796 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 16:52:08 UTC - in response to Message 1556775.  
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I'd post something in here, but I got a PM from a hater of HSR, who is not a Mod, not to post and to withdraw a post, that person is now blocked here, so I do this on FB instead, where I control the content and where I have 194 Friends...

Well that is unacceptable the only people who can control what you post are Fred and the mod team.

Take no notice of what people say, if you post something that is unacceptable the mods will soon let you know.

Remember you do NOT have to do what someone else tells you in a PM.
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Message 1556798 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 16:54:17 UTC - in response to Message 1556775.  

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Message 1556813 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 17:18:17 UTC

The biggest issue for the 59 and the 66 are the two-stroke diesel engines, while they respond very well to power demands they are, by today's standards, thirsty and "dirty".

I suspect there is a bit of "EMD pride" at play in the end of the class 66 production. I suggest this because Vosloh Kiepe are delivering the Class 68s to the UK which have a more powerful Cat engine that meets the current emissions regulations, and despite being about 20% more powerful use about the same about of fuel per hour (at full power) as the EMD engines in the 59s and 66s.
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Message 1556820 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 17:26:08 UTC - in response to Message 1556798.  

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Sorry Celt that should be 'High Speed Rail'.
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Message 1556823 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 17:35:44 UTC

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Mexico eyes first HSR route

Mexican officials have declared their intent to establish high speed rail spanning 130 miles between the nation's capital, Mexico City, and the city of Queretaro, to the northwest of the capital, in roughly two hours at top speeds of 186 mph.



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Message 1556828 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 17:44:07 UTC - in response to Message 1556823.  

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Message 1556832 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 17:46:28 UTC - in response to Message 1556828.  

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And all that's left of ALCO, still neat though.
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Message 1556847 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 18:18:22 UTC

STB backs CHSRA second segment

The Surface Transportation Board has ruled that the California High-Speed Rail Authority "is authorized to construct a 114-mile high-speed passenger rail line between Fresno and Bakersfield, Cal., subject to environmental mitigation conditions," thus giving the state's high speed rail effort more momentum.

In a 56-page decision, FD_35724_1, issued Aug. 12, 2014, STB noted the route involved "is the second segment of the planned HST System to come before the Board." STB, in a 2-to-1 vote, last year approved the first segment of the CHSRA plan, running roughly north of Fresno to Merced, Calif., and making Fresno the approximate midpoint of the developing HSR route in the state's Central Valley.

Last week a California appeals court ruled that CHSRA could proceed with up to $8 billion in state bond sales for the proposed $68 billion system, turning aside efforts to thwart such funding.



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Message 1556865 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 18:30:43 UTC

Vic, is this close to your place?
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Message 1556872 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 18:41:31 UTC - in response to Message 1556865.  

Vic, is this close to your place?

The CHSRA article? I live in California and the CHSRA is in California, so yes I am, I once lived in Tulare CA or as My Mom called it 'spider central', though for some reason I almost never saw any.
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Message 1556882 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 18:46:41 UTC

Sorry, I meant
Bakersfield.
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Message 1556888 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 18:57:47 UTC - in response to Message 1556720.  

Very interesting Bernie. FYI, EMD London shut down a few years ago. Cat bought the plant, and then moved all the production to their existing US facilities. If you need a bit more room, there is a "for sale" on the plant now. I drove by there this morning, and the sign says there are 590,000 square feet under one roof, available immediately.

This general body style of loco was in production at the plant right up to the end. A lot of these locos left the plant on a flat car, having been built with a non-standard (in North America anyway) wheel gauge. They were test run on the plant track on temporary trucks, and then switched to the narrow trucks before shipping.

There was extensive coverage of the 59s in the American railfan press at the time. The EMD techs who were sent to train the British crews on them said the biggest thing they had to convince the drivers of was that they could safely go well into the red zone on the ammeter, for a short time.

EMD also built some locos for Ireland. They had to fly the first one over to meet a delivery deadline (IIRC, in a monster Russian military cargo transport recently made surplus by the dissolution of the Soviet Union and downsizing of its military).

A lot of them were sold to railroads in South America and Africa, which do not all employ standard gauge.

CAT bought and refurbished a factory in Muncie, Indiana just so they could move production there and shut down the one in London, thereby busting the Canadian union (Indiana is a "right to work" state). I rather suspect they could fit something into the UK loading gauge if they really tried, but their bean counters probably don't think it's worth the effort.
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Message 1556893 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 19:06:47 UTC

In the Artic our air force used Komatsu equipment when I served......
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Message 1556898 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 19:09:49 UTC - in response to Message 1556882.  

Sorry, I meant
Bakersfield.

Vic lives well away from the direct route between Bakersfield and L.A., if I remember correctly. If a line is ever built to Las Vegas, it might pass near him.

The parts of the California High Speed that have been approved so far pretty much parallel the existing Amtrak California route from the bay area and Sacramento to Bakersfield. At the north end, it is supposed to connect to the existing commuter line at San Jose and run into downtown San Francisco. South of Bakersfield (where Amtrak doesn't go), it should run right over (or through) the mountains to L.A., but the route for that is probably still pretty far from being settled on.

I suspect Mexico will get its line up and running sooner than California will, although it may suffer from the safety problems of China's lines.
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Message 1556918 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 19:32:03 UTC - in response to Message 1556898.  

Sorry, I meant
Bakersfield.

Vic lives well away from the direct route between Bakersfield and L.A., if I remember correctly. If a line is ever built to Las Vegas, it might pass near him.

The parts of the California High Speed that have been approved so far pretty much parallel the existing Amtrak California route from the bay area and Sacramento to Bakersfield. At the north end, it is supposed to connect to the existing commuter line at San Jose and run into downtown San Francisco. South of Bakersfield (where Amtrak doesn't go), it should run right over (or through) the mountains to L.A., but the route for that is probably still pretty far from being settled on.

I suspect Mexico will get its line up and running sooner than California will, although it may suffer from the safety problems of China's lines.

So far the CA route will be going from Los Angeles to Palmdale CA, Mexico is having someone else do the work from what I gather, there is a CHSRA link Here on this LA to Palmdale CA segment, the Authority is studying whether to do the entire segment(LA to Palmdale) by TBM or go largely on the surface, at least from what I've read elsewhere online. From Palmdale the route would go thru the Tehachapi Mountains to Bakersfield, somewhat as stated in these two Alternative PDF files Here and Here, then to Fresno, then thru Pacheco Pass to Gilroy, then San Jose, then up the Peninsula along the Caltrain ROW to SF(San Francisco). Anything mentioned in the 2nd PDF file that is not between LA and SF are unfunded and were not included in Prop1a of 2008 and are considered Phase 2 and maybe 3 of HSR in California.


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Message 1556932 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 19:56:03 UTC

I'm surprised to see the San Diego leg going so far east before turning south.
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Message 1556939 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 20:08:37 UTC - in response to Message 1556932.  
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I'm surprised to see the San Diego leg going so far east before turning south.

CA is a big state, a ways to the south of Anaheim CA is Camp Pendleton a Marine Base, which may partly explain why the route goes around thru San Bernardino/Colton CA before heading south, the other would be revenue related, as such revenue bonds could be sold to build Phases 2 and 3. At least once the main usable segments are built between LA and SF.

Also some areas of the coast have landslide problems.
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Message 1556952 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 20:52:17 UTC - in response to Message 1556743.  


I wonder why, as apparently USA, Canada UK and Europe share the same standard gauge 4 ft 8 1⁄2 in, and I can find no mention of the truck swap.

I know that the Flying Scotsman toured for several years in the USA and again I can find no mention of gauge problems and that would have been quite a job to convert that!!

I suspect the answer is out there somewhere.


EMD's customer base included South America and North Africa, not sure where these particular engines wound up. I only know this from some consulting work I did for one of their suppliers here in London, documenting equivalency of North American wiring standards with other countries.

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Message 1556956 - Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 20:57:43 UTC

We could have used the HSP from San Diego
when I lived there......
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