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Message 1365591 - Posted: 8 May 2013, 3:46:21 UTC

Ok I'm mulling whether to get a Koolance GTX 480 block, just so I can have a pci slot for a 108Mbps Super G wireless pci card that I have(its not a pci-e card), as 3 GTX590 cards and a 690 would not leave any room for the pci card and I don't want to have to use a usb SuperG adapter since I've had problems with them overheating, so it would be a 690, two 590's and a 480 or a 580 if I can find a Koolance 580 block and so far only a 480 block is available, plus I don't want to move to N since Super G works just fine for Me. The case for this cruncher is looking to be the Caselabs STH10 since it can securely hold enough radiators to cool this beast, My cat Grace, a Maine Coon cat likes to chew on cables and so I don't allow Her near such stuff, not if I can help it at least. Oh and why have EK on the motherboard and Koolance on the cards? Availability.

Here's a pic of the motherboard with it's waterblock and cpu blocks all mounted...

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Message 1365734 - Posted: 8 May 2013, 12:29:08 UTC
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VBobier why bother with the wireless card . A wireless router or just use a cable to your router if you got one. I find wireless is crap G doesn't have much range 10 meters appox if that, and sounds to me if you do use a router you will have to have it reasonably close to it signal drops below approx. 65% and it slows down and starts to drop out . My nabour is using my router and he is appox 8 meters away only get 2 bars if he's lucky and drops out .

ps nice board

check that it says 100meters range mmmmmmmmmmm on spec sheet what gotta be b/s
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Message 1365766 - Posted: 8 May 2013, 15:52:28 UTC - in response to Message 1365734.
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VBobier why bother with the wireless card . A wireless router or just use a cable to your router if you got one. I find wireless is crap G doesn't have much range 10 meters appox if that, and sounds to me if you do use a router you will have to have it reasonably close to it signal drops below approx. 65% and it slows down and starts to drop out . My nabour is using my router and he is appox 8 meters away only get 2 bars if he's lucky and drops out .

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check that it says 100meters range mmmmmmmmmmm on spec sheet what gotta be b/s

Well G is 54Mbps, 'Super G' is 108Mbps and that's what I have(108G=54G+54G, as two 54G signals are bonded together) and I find 54G is ok, but I like 108G better, there is a reason for wireless, a cats sharp teeth, I have a Netgear 'Super G' RangeMax router and cards, 20' away I found and the signal still good at 4 bars, sometimes 5 bars. 100 meters, hmm 328' is longer than this mobile home is(60'x14'), so I'm not worried, this is for a desktop, not a laptop and so distance isn't something I'm worried about.

Yes, it is, thank you and I just won a Koolance GTX480 waterblock, which I think might fit on a reference GTX580 card, now I have to go and pay for it. Or at least make breakfast and wait until about 9:45am.
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Message 1365846 - Posted: 8 May 2013, 20:28:05 UTC

Ok I paid for the Koolance 480 block, plus for some screws as this 480 block and the 690 block didn't come with any. From what I can see, it looks like the 480 block should fit on a 580 reference card, a reference card is a card designed by Nvidia. Next I will have to get a GTX 580 card, either next month or the month after that. If one wants to know what a reference card is, head over to the cooling configurator website that's owned by EK, here's the link.

A 580 card, sans cooling equipment.

A 480 card, sans cooling equipment.

A Koolance 580 block attached to a 570 card.

A Koolance 480 block attached to a 480 card.
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Message 1365866 - Posted: 8 May 2013, 21:52:34 UTC

Ok VBobier I understand those naughty kitty's .Pain in the bum now all the good gpu cards take 2 slots makes it difficult to us other devices looks you got not no choice if you want to use wireless and all the gpu's you might just have to bite the bullet and get the pcie version or 1 less gpu or use a usb but with a cat in the place probably knock it or bend it in the usb port and you'll still have to go buy a pcie version .

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Message 1365869 - Posted: 8 May 2013, 22:02:38 UTC - in response to Message 1365866.
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Ok VBobier I understand those naughty kitty's .Pain in the bum now all the good gpu cards take 2 slots makes it difficult to us other devices looks you got not no choice if you want to use wireless and all the gpu's you might just have to bite the bullet and get the pcie version or 1 less gpu or use a usb but with a cat in the place probably knock it or bend it in the usb port and you'll still have to go buy a pcie version .

good luck what ever you do

Thanks, right now it's a pain in the heel that I have, literally, I've read I have to stay off of it as much as possible or at least wear shoes and use My cane to support My right side when I walk. There is a part that allows for the 480-580 type cards to use up only a single slot, like the one below.

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Message 1365910 - Posted: 9 May 2013, 0:49:33 UTC

Be careful walking around then mate sorry to hear ya got a prob with ya heel ouchy .
Would you still be able to use the water cooling with the other bracket ? and the wireless card !

you didn't do what I did the other night tried to dance with a coffee table and fall over giving myself one hell of a shiner .....hehehehehelololo only joking
To much beer make me unstable on my feet lolololo
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Message 1365913 - Posted: 9 May 2013, 1:12:21 UTC - in response to Message 1365910.
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Be careful walking around then mate sorry to hear ya got a prob with ya heel ouchy .
Would you still be able to use the water cooling with the other bracket ? and the wireless card !

you didn't do what I did the other night tried to dance with a coffee table and fall over giving myself one hell of a shiner .....hehehehehelololo only joking
To much beer make me unstable on my feet lolololo

Thanks, roger wilco.

The single slot bracket, yes, the stock dual slot bracket, yes, both will work with water cooling, but the wireless will only work with the single slot bracket.

The worst is I lose one gpu, 14 wu's for 7 gpus vs 16 wu's for 8 gpus, not enough to worry about. Dual gpu boards for some reason like to run only 2 wu's per nvidia gpu, 3 they'll do, but at a cost, if I could make the 580 the main gpu then it would be 21 wu's for 7 gpus vs 24 wu's for 8 gpus, still not a lot to worry about, I'll still need two psus no matter what a Coolmax 1600w psu and a Silverstone ST1000-P 1000w 80A 160mm deep secondary psu, right now it's acquire what is harder to get, the video cards, next up a GTX580, then a 590 and then last a 690, Koolance I've recently read gets the best temp out of the cards and is the most compatible across different dual gpu cards too(690 vs 590), as to the 480 block, it'll probably be up to short 1/2" barbs and some i/2"ID tubing, though I will try the more rigid Koolance stuff first. I'd thought about putting in 5 580/570 cards, but that is a fair amount of cost for just the blocks(5 cards-> $2,075 vs 3 cards-> $1,745 or $330 difference in possible projected cost), which could go towards just buying cards and 1 block, so that's what I did, once I get the 580 and equip the card with a 480 block I'll have half of the cards bought, after the 690 though I'll need to buy 2 more 580 or 570 cards for this PC, I'm hoping to avoid the 480 cards, cheap to buy, but possibly more expensive to run.

Be glad the table wasn't made of glass, a shiner is badenov...
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Message 1365933 - Posted: 9 May 2013, 3:40:14 UTC

I don't know if you want to consider this or if you care about it at all but...

Depending on your case, of course, the bottom card can *easily* run on air. That would save the cost of water-cooling that card. I have three systems with three GPUs in them, all on air-only. I would have four cards in two of them but I can't adequately cool four on air and don't want to spend the money for water-cooling.

In two of the three cases, there are bottom case fans blowing upward. I have to increase the fan-speed on the "middle" card as far as it will go. The top cards I usually increase the speeds some (even a lot) but not 100% or 80% (the max in some instances).

The bottom cards are cool... very cool... usually with their fans on "auto" and at the same temps as the middle and upper cards, we're talking 40% fan-speed.

Just a thought.

(BTW - I am talking about squirrel-cage fan models with "closed" shrouds exhausting most of the heat from the rear of the case in two of the systems. One has an "open shroud" on the bottom card.)

I'm not suggesting anything, or recommending anything, and I have no opinion about what you do with your system. I'm just reporting.

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Message 1365959 - Posted: 9 May 2013, 5:19:28 UTC - in response to Message 1365933.
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I don't know if you want to consider this or if you care about it at all but...

Depending on your case, of course, the bottom card can *easily* run on air. That would save the cost of water-cooling that card. I have three systems with three GPUs in them, all on air-only. I would have four cards in two of them but I can't adequately cool four on air and don't want to spend the money for water-cooling.

In two of the three cases, there are bottom case fans blowing upward. I have to increase the fan-speed on the "middle" card as far as it will go. The top cards I usually increase the speeds some (even a lot) but not 100% or 80% (the max in some instances).

The bottom cards are cool... very cool... usually with their fans on "auto" and at the same temps as the middle and upper cards, we're talking 40% fan-speed.

Just a thought.

(BTW - I am talking about squirrel-cage fan models with "closed" shrouds exhausting most of the heat from the rear of the case in two of the systems. One has an "open shroud" on the bottom card.)

I'm not suggesting anything, or recommending anything, and I have no opinion about what you do with your system. I'm just reporting.

That's ok, it's an STH10(see pic), as to having the lower card on air, being it is an EVGA GTX590 1596 will be water cooled as It has a Koolance block for it already mounted, oh sure I could place it above the 580, but most of the case will have several large radiators, 3-560x140mm(top), 1-420x140mm, 1-280x140mm and 1-140x140mm radiators(or maybe instead of 1-420x140mm radiator I might have 2, it depends on the psu size, the main psu is 240mm long(1600w, 50A/110A), the secondary psu is only 160mm(1000w, 80A)), I'll probably have enough room for My 306x120x60mm radiator, this case is humongous and the size is: 32.25"H x 26.56"D x 11.25"W (819mm x 675mm x 286mm)...

There is a review of the STH-10 on Youtube with Tiny Tim Logan, which I'm running as I type this, here's the link, the case costs a about the same as a 690 card and the case has to be assembled, though I think Caselabs sells an assembled version too, it just costs more, unassembled the case costs less to ship I've read. Oh and the case costs more now than Tim mentions as it's been a year since the review was made. There must be a sandman in there somewhere.


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Message 1366023 - Posted: 9 May 2013, 12:20:53 UTC

Vbobier there is a guy with a simular m/b to what you are using could you please come over to his thread as his machine has some problems i'm wondering if because the board has water air cooling on the board if this could be a problem as he is not using water cooling and the heat sink he is trying to use I think is totally wrong for the board .
After installing the fan he says there is a gap between the heat sink and the CPU a big no no if you could help most appeciated
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Message 1366024 - Posted: 9 May 2013, 12:23:07 UTC

the thread is motherboard/processor fan mounting problem
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Message 1366140 - Posted: 9 May 2013, 21:28:06 UTC - in response to Message 1365959.



There is a review of the STH-10 on Youtube with Tiny Tim Logan, which I'm running as I type this, here's the link, the case costs a about the same as a 690 card and the case has to be assembled, though I think Caselabs sells an assembled version too, it just costs more, unassembled the case costs less to ship I've read. Oh and the case costs more now than Tim mentions as it's been a year since the review was made. There must be a sandman in there somewhere.



I watched the video.


That's insane.

I'm watching this and thinking to myself, "Self, for that kind of money and size, you can either build a custom case from smuggled ivory, or you could get some old-growth South American Mahogany and a CNC router, or you could go purchase a small house and mount stuff to the walls and ceiling."

I look forward to your posting photos when you get it all built.

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Message 1366146 - Posted: 9 May 2013, 21:48:38 UTC - in response to Message 1366140.



There is a review of the STH-10 on Youtube with Tiny Tim Logan, which I'm running as I type this, here's the link, the case costs a about the same as a 690 card and the case has to be assembled, though I think Caselabs sells an assembled version too, it just costs more, unassembled the case costs less to ship I've read. Oh and the case costs more now than Tim mentions as it's been a year since the review was made. There must be a sandman in there somewhere.



I watched the video.


That's insane.

I'm watching this and thinking to myself, "Self, for that kind of money and size, you can either build a custom case from smuggled ivory, or you could get some old-growth South American Mahogany and a CNC router, or you could go purchase a small house and mount stuff to the walls and ceiling."

I look forward to your posting photos when you get it all built.

Yeah, it's the cost of someone doing the parts fabrication and such and not in mass production, but it fits and I think the dimensions don't include casters, which might add 1.5" to the height or 34" tall, that's quite a case, almost a piece of furniture in fact.

That's going to be in a few months before I can get the case, like maybe Nov 2014, plenty of stuff to get before then, like a 590, a 690, 3-580's, pay property taxes, buy food, a cpu(either an 875K or an 880), pay dmv on the car, etc, etc, really as much as I can, when I can. Yes I do have a timetable guide to when I'll get what.
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Message 1366167 - Posted: 10 May 2013, 0:01:43 UTC - in response to Message 1365959.

I don't know if you want to consider this or if you care about it at all but...

Depending on your case, of course, the bottom card can *easily* run on air. That would save the cost of water-cooling that card. I have three systems with three GPUs in them, all on air-only. I would have four cards in two of them but I can't adequately cool four on air and don't want to spend the money for water-cooling.

In two of the three cases, there are bottom case fans blowing upward. I have to increase the fan-speed on the "middle" card as far as it will go. The top cards I usually increase the speeds some (even a lot) but not 100% or 80% (the max in some instances).

The bottom cards are cool... very cool... usually with their fans on "auto" and at the same temps as the middle and upper cards, we're talking 40% fan-speed.

Just a thought.

(BTW - I am talking about squirrel-cage fan models with "closed" shrouds exhausting most of the heat from the rear of the case in two of the systems. One has an "open shroud" on the bottom card.)

I'm not suggesting anything, or recommending anything, and I have no opinion about what you do with your system. I'm just reporting.

That's ok, it's an STH10(see pic), as to having the lower card on air, being it is an EVGA GTX590 1596 will be water cooled as It has a Koolance block for it already mounted, oh sure I could place it above the 580, but most of the case will have several large radiators, 3-560x140mm(top), 1-420x140mm, 1-280x140mm and 1-140x140mm radiators(or maybe instead of 1-420x140mm radiator I might have 2, it depends on the psu size, the main psu is 240mm long(1600w, 50A/110A), the secondary psu is only 160mm(1000w, 80A)), I'll probably have enough room for My 306x120x60mm radiator, this case is humongous and the size is: 32.25"H x 26.56"D x 11.25"W (819mm x 675mm x 286mm)...

There is a review of the STH-10 on Youtube with Tiny Tim Logan, which I'm running as I type this, here's the link, the case costs a about the same as a 690 card and the case has to be assembled, though I think Caselabs sells an assembled version too, it just costs more, unassembled the case costs less to ship I've read. Oh and the case costs more now than Tim mentions as it's been a year since the review was made. There must be a sandman in there somewhere.


Change in Radiators & psus, why? Size really, 2-Alphacool NexXxoS Monsta 420mm(468 x 144 x 86mm) and 2-Alphacool NexXxoS Monsta 560mm(607 x 144 x 86mm), plus 3 Silverstone 1000w ST1000-P psus(one for this PC), which have 80A on the 12v rail each and are 160mm deep and a 450w FSP Booster X5 video card psu for this PC.


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Message 1366207 - Posted: 10 May 2013, 6:25:02 UTC

It seems back in 2010, someone on the EVGA forums had the same idea that I have and He took a pic of the working 580 card with a 480 block...

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Message 1366557 - Posted: 10 May 2013, 23:46:42 UTC
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Thread title change, since there will be only 7 gpus...
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Message 1366573 - Posted: 11 May 2013, 0:33:05 UTC - in response to Message 1366567.

Thread title change, since there will be only 7 gpus...

OH, sigh.

What a setback, Victor.

I only have palpitations when one of my modest rigs gets a knot tied for some reasons.

But then, I don't have unlimited time to deal with such things.
You seem to be blessed with that, at least.

Wish you only the best in your endeavors.

Just mind Grace first, willya?

No it's not a real problem, this would allow Me to run 3 wu's per gpu, if I had all dual gpu cards the most I'd be able to run would be 16 at a time, this way it should be 21, since I think I can make the GTX580 the primary card. Also I was going to run this card off the usb 2.0 bus(below), I tried getting Windows 7 to recognize it on usb, the leds lit up, but nothing else happened, the OS would recognize the card in the pci-e slot, just not usb which I could place else where in the case. Also Grace gets top billing here, She has plenty of food, corn litter and all the attention She can handle.


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Message 1368004 - Posted: 15 May 2013, 1:00:32 UTC
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Ok I've made a decision, I'm not going to get a $930.00 case, with 5 radiators(1-360, 2-420 and 2-560) it would be heavy, So I thought I'd split up the task a bit, get a Phobya 1260 radiator stand that can handle 3 420x140mm type radiators, in this case their 86mm deep, I'm going to see if an 86mm radiator will fit in place of this 60mm deep radiator(a 120x360) in the CM HAF X case and a 140x140x86mm radiator, these 86mm radiators are Alphacool NexXxoS Monsta and their mostly copper. It could be that no radiator will fit where the back 140x140mm fan is at in the HAF X case. I'll have to get the 120x360x86mm radiator and see...

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